As promised…
This letter was pasted on this blog by… they don’t give their names. However, it is the same one that was posted elsewhere, except the writer’s points were answered by Jim Humble. His referrals to “User 96341″ was the only name that the poster gave.
So I’ll relax, sit back, and let you read and consider for yourself.
Regards,
Adam…
I have been asked to repost the following here as an eye opener for those risking their safety and health on experimenting with a POISONOUS substancethe following statements are just a few that are found on the MMS site and/or purported by others to “explain” how and why MMS works yet it is plain “bad science” –my degrees in developmental bio and the decades spent teaching pre-med and nursing students as well as even more years as a Science ed consultant compels me to refute the following:1.- false statement: only “bad” microbes are ‘negatively’ charged and/or pathogens cant survive alkaline environments..
we must not be content to repeat what we have heard or seen written by those selling anything. ANY intro level microbio text will tell you that the following DEADLY pathogens exist and thrive in alkaline environments: enterococcus, erysipelous bacteria, listeria and yes even fungus like aspergillus which has become deadly to many. therefore stating only ‘good’ bacteria are alkaline is FALSE- also, ingesting an alkaline will make these pathogens more likely to cause harm, NOT “kill” them.
1… Mr. User #96341 I, (JimHumble), HAVE NEVER MADE ANY SUCH STATEMENTS. MMS IS VERY ACIDIC WHEN IT ENTERS THE BODY. CHLORINE DIOXIDE, ONCE RELEASED, WORKS IN ANY ENVIRONMENT FROM HIGHLY ACIDIC TO HIGHLY ALKALINE. THAT’S FROM pH 5 to pH 10. LET ME SUGGEST THAT YOU READ MY BOOK AND MY FURTHER ANSWERS BELOW. AND DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE INTERNET ON CHLORINE DIOXIDE- JimHumble
-According to experiments by Weichselbaum et al ” when gastric fluids become alkaline microbes do NOT lose their pathogenic properties”…
WELL, I’D HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I AGREE WITH WEICHSELBAUM ET AL, BUT THEN I NEVER SAID ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY — JimHumble.
-also the info re : oxygen and microbes–there are plenty of microbes you DONT want harmed by the increased oxygen thats supposedly occurring and still more “bad” ones left UNharmed
NO, NO, MR. 96341, THERE IS NO INCREASE OF OXYGEN WITH MMS. NONE AT ALL. REALLY, YOU SHOULD READ MY BOOK OR LOOK IT UP ON THE WEB. CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS THE OXIDIZER. IT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN OXYGEN. THAT’S WHAT MAKES IT SO VALUABLE. OXYGEN IS A STRONG OXIDIZER AND CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS A WEAK OXIDIZER.–JimHumble
-2. False statement:Good bacteria cant be harmed– what about GOOD bacteria that thrive in ACID environments ( almost all of the probiotics like lactobacillus). What is ingesting an alkaline doing to THEM??? while many cant make it past stomach acids, some DO and others do well in the slightly less acid but NOT alkaline GI tract, beyond the stomach, as well. if ANY bacteria or viruses are harmed, so too will the “good” bacteria.
2…STILL WRONG! MMS IS ACIDIC WHEN IT ENTERS THE BODY, BUT THE CHLORINE DIOXIDE THAT DOES THE WORK IS NOT ACIDIC. IN FACT, I CAN SAY THAT ACID OR ALKALINE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. READ MY BOOK. SORRY, DON’T MEAN TO PUT YOU DOWN, IT’S JUST THAT I AM REALLY TIRED OF ALL THE NEGATIVE STUFF BY PEOPLE WHO DON’T HAVE A CLUE. FURTHER DETAILS ARE GIVEN BELOW.–JimHumble
3. False statement- harmless salts form-well salts ARE forming BUT the falsesness lies in their usefulness- the common salt thats forming?? mostly right in the gut .hence the nausea- any scientific evidence that ANY of the active CLO2 stuff thats making you so nauseated getting anywhere into the blood??? I have seen NONE. The mammal body is pretty good at keeping things where they belong, why would such a toxic substance as ClO2 be allowed to get into the blood at high enough quantity? Id love to SEE blood and intracellular levels of ClO2 after ingesting this stuffso too Id like to see the proof of its ability to get into the RBC–the membrane system makes it difficult at best for larger and unfamiliar molecules to simply cross the barrier membranes.
3…STILL WRONG MR. 96341. THE MOST SALT THAT IS EVER CREATED BY A DOSE OF MMS IS 10 MG. THAT’S LESS THAN 1/2 OF A MATCH HEAD. CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT AMOUNT OF SALT MAKING ANYONE SICK OR NAUSEOUS. YOU CAN’T EVEN TASTE IT IN 1/2 GLASS OF WATER. YOU GET ABOUT 10 TIMES THAT FROM EATING A WEINER. WHY DOES CHLORINE DIOXIDE GET IN THE BLOOD? READ MY BOOK. THE RED BLOOD CELLS CANNOT TELL CHLORINE DIOXIDE FROM OXYGEN. AND YES, I HAVE BEEN USING ONE OF THE BEST DARK FIELD MICROSCOPES NOW AVAILABLE IN THE STATE OF THE ART. IT COST $38,000 AND IT IS VERY GOOD.– JimHumble
4. False statement- the CLO2 deposits onto stomach walls where it enters the body like other nutrients–well first off nutrients leave the gut via small intestines NOT the stomach, secondly the acids in the stomach would react with the CLO2 anyway.and make those SALTS long before it leaves the stomach–add HCL to your solutions and see what happens!
4…WRONG AGAIN MR. 96341. SORRY, I’D APOLOGIZE IF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WERE NOT DOING SO MUCH DAMAGE. YOU DESTROY THE CHANCES OF THE MANY WHO BELIEVE YOU. FIRST, THE STOMACH WALLS DO INDEED ADSORB QUITE A FEW NUTRIENTS. SECONDLY ALL THE HCL IN THE STOMACH DOES TO MMS IS SLIGHTLY INCREASE THE RATE OF GENERATION OF CHLORINE DIOXIDE. ACID HAS NO EFFECT ON CHLORINE DIOXIDE AT THE pH LEVEL OF STOMACH ACID. YES MR. 96341 I HAVE MADE SEVERAL HUNDRED EXPERIMENTS USING STOMACH ACID AND MMS. HOWEVER, THIS DATA IS AVAILABLE IN THE LITERATURE. IT DOESN’T DEPEND UPON MY EXPERIMENTS.– JimHumble
5. False statement–if you have nothing in the body below acid level/Ph7 there are no ill effects–ummm what about the acids in the stomach?? and what about those good bacteria- ACIDophilus etc??there ARE things in the body below that level and theyre necessary tooFYI HEALTHY microbes like lactobacillus require Ph range of 5.8-6.6 ACIDIC and
some pathogens like clostridium do well at 6.0-7.6–that is, they thrive even with alkaline environs!!when in a state of health human body is slightly ACIDIC
while blood is usally slightly alkaline at 7.4 ( arteries) and 7.3 (veins)
Urine Ph norms = 6.0
saliva Ph norma 6.0-7.4 and vary so widely it cannot be used to measure the entire body’s Ph levels
there are individual variations so that within a small range we each have optimum levels depending upon diet and genetics and other factors.
5… ALTHOUGH I NEVER MADE ANY SUCH STATEMENTS, YOU FINALLY DID GET SOMETHING RIGHT. I’D AGREE WITH YOU CONCERNING THESE pH STATEMENTS YOU HAVE MADE. I’LL LET YOU HAVE THAT. HOWEVER, YOU STILL ARE NOT GETTING IT. THE pH (WHICH MEANS ACID-ALKALINE LEVEL) OF THE BODY DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE OPERATION OF CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN THE BODY. I NEVER SAID IT DID. THE pH LEVEL OF THE SKIN OF PATHOGENS “MIGHT” HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE OPERATION OF MMS, BUT NOT pH LEVEL OF THE BODY. — JimHumble
6. False statement–no chlorine is involved–that chlorine like odor when you mix it??? chlorine!! and IF its chlorine dioxide??? still poison-matter of fact if you inhale the fumes you will be inhaling chlorine or chlorine dioxide gas and may well end up needing medical attention!
6. WRONG AGAIN. READ THE LITERATURE. YOU DON’T HAVE TO READ MY BOOK. SODIUM CHLORITE MAKES CHLORINE DIOXIDE. IT IS USED EXTENSIVE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MAKE CHLORINE. SHOULD YOU INHALE IT? NOT A GOOD IDEA. BUT THE AMOUNT THAT YOU CAN GET FROM A DOSE OF MMS WILL NEVER SEND ANYONE TO THE HOSPITAL. CONSIDER A 15 DROP MAXIMUM DOSE OF MMS. IT GENERATES 3 MG OF CHLORINE DIOXIDE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT A PIN IS? WELL 3 MG IS LESS THAN A PIN HEAD. 3 MG OF CYANIDE WON’T HURT YOU, ALTHOUGH IT MIGHT SMELL REALLY BAD, AND CYANIDE IS MUCH MORE POISONOUS THAN CHLORINE DIOXIDE. — JimHumble
7. false statement- ingesting MMS causes Ph changes of the entire body/blood to occur–no one has shown this to happen.
- in any case, any PH changes that may occur, are very quickly rebalanced in the body,and kept within very strict levels ( different for various tissues etc) UNLESS one is so ill as to be unable and then they face a probable DEADLY outcome. Theres a reason why saliva and blood are slightly alkaline and urine acid…why would anyone think playing around with this balance is GOOD???- except in presence of some very specific illnesses, you cannot change one’s cellular Ph safely. Have you seen people in acidosis or alkalosis?? I have…not pretty. tiny changes that dont upset the natural balance also dont do much of anything for invaders…they too “like” the same margins of Ph our cells do.
7… DON’T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR INFORMATION, BUT I (JIMHUMBLE) HAVE NEVER MADE ANY SUCH STATEMENTS WHAT SO EVER. READ MY BOOK. READ MY WEB SITE. QUIT MAKING THINGS UP. — JimHumble
8. false statement–the nasuea/vomiting, diarrhea means a good thing–pathogens and toxins are leaving the body-maybe even a “herx”
if you ingest enough ‘common salt’ or salt water you will also vomit etc…like I advised to those doing the Salt/Vit c cure this too has very big risks. BUT this is NOT proof of a Herx!! or of healing or even detoxing–its your body screaming ” hey stop that”Not all negative symptom results can be called “herxes” regardless of whats causing them. that term has become way to loosely used and why we often have trouble getting other trained professionals to listen to us when a real Herx ( or other event poorly adopted) happensFYI as for pathogens and changing Ph-as far back as the “Principles of Surgery” by Nicholas Seim it was well known that altering the stomach’s acidity by making it alkaline will actually PRESERVE the virulence of pathogens and make the patient MORE likely to get deadly SEPSIS!! ingesting a strong alkaline is NOT therefore a ‘good’ thing. it will allow pathogens in the GI tract to become stronger and even to be passed further into one’s body.
- saying chlorine dioxide is safe because we produce tiny amounts of it is patently silly. even WATER becomes toxic at high amounts. and anyone can look up ‘chlorine dioxide’ to see that its quite a dangerous substance. Citing its uses is like my saying that at one time ARSENIC was used quite successfully against spirochetes specifically syphilis. well, who here would want to ingest arsenic??
8. THAT’S JUST TALKING TO BE TALKING. 1/2 MATCH HEAD OF SALT WILL NEVER MAKE ANYONE NAUSEOUS. AGAIN, MMS DOES NOT ALTER THE pH OF THE BODY AND IS NOT DEPENDENT UPON THE pH OF THE BODY. WHAT POSSIBLE POINT CAN YOU BE MAKING BY SAYING THAT WATER IS TOXIC IN HIGH AMOUNTS. ANYONE KNOWS THAT. EVERY MEDICAL DRUG KNOWN IS TOXIC IN HIGH AMOUNTS AND MANY OF THEM MANY TIMES MORE TOXIC THAN CHLORINE DIOXIDE. CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS NOT TOXIC IN SMALL AMOUNTS USED IN MMS. I’VE TAKEN IT FOR 12 YEARS. MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE HAD IT INJECTED INTO THEIR VEINS IN THE PAST 20 YEARS. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE NOW TAKING IT. THAT DATA IS AVAILABLE AND PROVABLE. READ MY BOOK. THE FORMULA, SODIUM CHLORITE IN THE FORM OF STABILIZED OXYGEN HAS BEEN AVAILABLE FOR 80 YEARS IN HEALTH FOOD STORES.–JimHumble
9. False statement- Malaria has been cured in Malawi and Uganda–
-I have intimate knowledge of the malaria situation in Africa due to my daughter ( grad student of anthropology who unfortunately for my gray hair travels out of this country a LOT). and I can unequivocably say that NO cure for malaria has been done there on any large scale IF AT ALL. Hundreds are STILL dying in hospitals from resistant parasites. I have a BIG problem with advertising ‘cures’ when I know them to be less than truthful.if they ‘fudge’ or exaggerate in one area then how can I believe the rest of the claims. I personally emailed the Ministers of Health of Malawi and Uganda and to this date None have been willing to say that anyone there used/uses MMS and that ANYONE has been cured of Malaria with it. Youd think theyd be bragging over their superiority if this happened. Id like to see PROOF from anyone of this happening as per the MMS website
9… WRONG AGAIN MR. 96341. IN MALAWI WE ONLY DID CLINICAL TRIALS IN THE PRISON WITH 100 % CURE RATE. THE MALAWI GOVERNMENT ALSO MATCHED OUR TESTS AND GOT THE SAME RESULTS. IN MY BOOK, I GAVE ORGANIZATIONS THAT DID THE BLOOD TESTING AND THE PEOPLE WITH WHOM YOU CAN STILL CONTACT. THERE ARE ALSO PEOPLE IN THE OTHER COUNTRIES THAT YOU CAN CONTACT, AND IN MY BOOK THERE ARE COPIES OF DOCUMENTS FROM GOVERNMENTS. IN MALAWI ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE GOVERNMENT HAVE BEEN REPLACED BY THE PRESIDENT, BUT THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE TESTS ARE STILL THERE AND ABLE TO BE CONTACTED. BUT THE EASIER THING IS TO SIMPLY READ MY BOOK. THE PROOF IS THERE. DR. HESSELINK HAS TAKEN MORE THAN 2000 RESEARCH PAPERS CONCERNING CHLORINE DIOXIDE AND IT’S ABILITY TO CURE MALARIA FROM THE INTERNET. HE HAS DESCRIBED THE SCIENCE AND CHEMISTRY VERY CAREFULLY. HE HAS LISTED 160 SUCH PAPERS IN MY BOOK IN CHAPTER 22. THERE ARE LOTS OF DOCTORS USING MMS NOW. I CHALLENGE YOU OR ANY DOCTOR OR ANY SCIENTIST TO SHOW ME WHERE I AM WRONG. YOU CAN’T BECAUSE I HAVE THE SCIENCE AND CHEMISTRY CORRECT. READ MY BOOK INSTEAD OF TALKING WITH NO KNOWLEDGE AT ALL.–JimHumble
10 false statement-resistance to this ( if it works) cant happen-
RESISTANCE can and does build whenever ANY microbe killer is used. period. This ClO2 cannot and does not instantly kill every last “bad” microbe all at once…IF it did why then do you need it for so long????? the microbes that are NOT killed are very quickly reporducing and those survivors are passing along their genetic know-how to get STRONGER. For the same reasons antibiotics are a big cause of the resistant bacteria we now face, taking ANY killer will do the SAME.using anything that puts pressure on another living thing to adapt will cause genetic changes ( mutationally or simply gradually with reproduction). ALL living things have one prime directive : survive and reproduce–and they will find a way to do so.and it doesnt take much time either–a few hundred generation with some microbes—and that can occur fast–some microbes have a generation every few hrs.Im guessing that with some more time I can even find for you microbes that lap up chlorine. many thought for so long nothing can grow with high methane- WRONG, high sulfur or temperatures-WRONG.nothing can grow in Ice- wrong- turns out that there is LIFE adapted to very last environment on Earth. And some are pathogenic in every area.
10. WRONG AGAIN ACCORDING TO BIOLOGISTS. FOR 100 YEARS CHLORINE DIOXIDE HAS BEEN USED TO STERILIZE HOSPITAL FLOORS, AND BENCHES, STERILIZE MEAT IN SLAUGHTER YARDS, AND CHICKEN SLAUGHTER HOUSES, AND KILL PATHOGENS IN THOUSANDS OF WATER PURIFICATION PLANTS. DURING THE 100 YEARS NO KNOWN PATHOGEN HAS EVER DEVELOPED A RESISTANCE TO CHLORINE DIOXIDE. ANTIBIOTICS KILL BY DESTROYING THE NUCLEUS. CHLORINE DIOXIDE KILLS BY BLOWING A HOLE IN THE SIDE OF THE PATHOGEN. ITS LIKE TRYING TO DEVELOP A RESISTANCE TO HAND GRENADES. YOU CAN’T. SORRY, BUT A NUMBER OF BIOLOGISTS HAVE AGREED THAT PATHOGENS SIMPLY WILL NEVER DEVELOP A RESISTANCE TO CHLORINE DIOXIDE. IT WASN’T MY IDEA.–JimHumble
11. people are being cured–well maybe they ARE and maybe not–but not from this–from what? placebo effect perhaps ( at what cost or risk), perhaps by other stuff theyve done previously–after all many who try this have failed many times on previous treatments…maybe all they needed was healing time.and what of the folks on it over a YEAR??? where is their CURE??? and to what long term effects??Conclusion
am I therefore saying no one should use this or any other supposed miracle cure??? NO -its not for ME to say that. BUT when we are exhorting others to take the same risks we must be VERY sure we have given them ALL of the correct information and not putting OTHERS in harms way!what I AM saying is that we must be much more careful about our “facts” and only then can we EACH decide in a fully informed manner which risks we each are willing to take. Id be happy to admit any errors on my part if you provide the substantiation.
and please dont compare to Rx drugs–when they dont tell us all the neg effects its as bad!! having information means WE become educated about the possible risks–whether its an RX drug or MMS–and when there are blatant false statements and bad science–we all have to stop and ask WHY
Im also pretty sure that if any of the so called miracle cures out there really are a global for-all cure, then we would all be “cured” . the fact that there are so many of us still ill proves to me that as yet it doesnt exists. Unfortunately for many illnesses, the individualness of the situation makes it that much LESS likely of a cure for all. so far all “universal” cure all havent stood the test of time.
IF any of you are truly feeling better after doing ANY cure, then may G-d Bless and may you continue to heal. BUT that doesnt mean that for others itd be a safe or healthy decision to do something so risky, especially blinded by the advice and what Ive read so far on this and other sites.
. we have to be willing to embrace facts even if theyre contrary to what you ‘believe’ or have ‘heard’ or seen as written by those wanting to sell their products.
continue to take, or do, what helps you but be open to the fact that you may be doing so at great risk and urging others to do the same while hiding ALL of the information ( including that which is opposite to your beliefs) is IMHO negligent.
and that would make us no better than Big Pharma who most of us can agree has a nasty habit of providing only the studies supporting their drugs while conveniently forgetting to print harmful outcomes!! Many of us would and DO take drugs with a long list of warnings…but at least we have been warned.Denying the WHOLE truth about ANY new cure-all ( and ALL things have good and bad about them) does no one any good.the people losing kidneys after doing Salt/C and many others terribly ill on other regimens are now being blocked and booted off many sites for sharing their experiences–’too negative’ , ‘cant be true’ are the reasons. Is this what we want??
before simply accepting anything
first understand the basic science behind unbelievable claims, then investigate motive and if the inventor understands the good and bad effects and finally balance the risks with benefits–and IF at the outset many lies/exaggerations are told and the science is all wrong ask youselves–HOW can anything thats said then be trusted??and thats one of many reasons why the Drs without Borders and the WHO etc arent going anywhere near this!!! too much is so very wrong they cant possibly take anything else seriously
and forget conspiracies—there are far MORE incentives ( monetary included) for any African nation to declare theyre cured Malaria!!!! and that cute little stunt on the MMS site stating poor Jim Humble is feared for his life??? marketing gimmick folks–right off the pages of several internet marketing classes!!!
be careful out there and QUESTION for Petes sake
11. MR.96341. THIS IS THE WORST STATEMENT OF ALL AS YOU HAVE BROKEN EVERY THING THAT YOU SAY SHOULD NOT BE BROKEN. YOU HAVE BROKEN YOUR OWN RULES. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS AND WHAT IT DOES AND IT’S CHARACTERISTICS EXCEPT YOU HAVE READ A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROBLEMS IN INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS WHERE IT IS USED MILLIONS OF TIME STRONGER THAT IN MMS.
SO YOU PUT UP A CONCLUSION, LET ME PUT UP A CONCLUSION: I GUESS I DON’T HAVE A VERY GOOD CONCLUSION. I JUST CAN’T FIGURE WHY SOMEONE WOULD MAKE SO MANY FALSE STATEMENTS. I DIDN’T SAY 90% OF WHAT YOU SAID I SAID, HOWEVER, I DID INDEED SAY THAT ALL THOSE PEOPLE WERE CURED IN AFRICA. IN AMERICA TODAY, MORE THAN 12,000 BOTTLES OF MMS ARE BEING SOLD EACH MONTH AND THAT NUMBER IS INCREASING EACH MONTH. YOU CAN’T POSSIBLE BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE ARE THAT DUMB. 90 PER CENT OF THE PEOPLE WHO BUY MY BOOK BUY IT BECAUSE OF REFERRALS FROM FRIENDS, AT LEAST THAT’S WHAT THE SAY WHEN THEY BUY THE BOOK. I DON’T SELL MMS. AND IF I MAKE ANY MONEY FROM THE SALES IT’S BECAUSE MONEY IS DONATED TO ME. SOME DO AND SOME DON’T.
MR. 96341 I HAVE PERSONALLY GIVEN THOUSANDS OF BOTTLES OF MMS, AND THE PEOPLE I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN OVER 500 LIVES SAVED AND THOUSANDS OF OTHERS SAVED AT A DISTANCE. WHAT HAVE YOU DON’T OTHER THAN SCARE A FEW HUNDRED PEOPLE INTO CONTINUING TO SUFFER WHEN THEY COULD NOW BE WELL. PLEASE READ THESE ANSWERS AGAIN AND AGAIN AS YOU NEED TO APOLOGIZE SO THAT MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE YOU SCARED WILL NOT CONTINUE TO SUFFER. — JimHumble
Thanks Adam!
I believe we’ve achieve the critical mass whereby the knowledge of MMS cannot be stopped. Somewhat like the maharishi effect.
It’s actually a good indicator when some “expert” protects their identity.
Essentially 96341 doubts his own words. Gotta love him.
LLL,
Ric
By: Ric on April 29, 2008
at 9:10 pm
Humble is in fairy land, the holes in what he say’s are that big, any way this is best
MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE HAD IT INJECTED INTO THEIR VEINS IN THE PAST 20 YEARS.
Rubbish.
Debate me humble-publicly
By: bruce on May 2, 2008
at 2:15 pm
piss on you bruce.
may you get any desease,AND go to a doctor.
By: thebigcheese on July 15, 2009
at 12:00 am
maybe the 2 or 3 hundred thoausand people that have successfully used mms will debate this very publicly bruce….
By: jared on May 3, 2008
at 9:30 pm
I just watched the youtube video by Adam Abraham. While listening to Adam read the letter from Bruce the thoughts that were coming up were these, Bruce has ALOT of fear. It is MY CHOICE to use MMS. So Bruce, quit infringing your fear and negative energy.
In Spirit
Crow Lady
By: Crow Woman on May 13, 2008
at 5:02 pm
Any one wanting to see my answer to Bruce and his statements look under Answers to critics on my Web Site jimhumble.com . Instead of stating rubbish all he has to do is read my book. The evidence and data where he can find where Sodium Chlorite has been use for 20 years is all there.
Jim Humble
By: Jim Humble on May 20, 2008
at 11:13 am
And if you want you can read where Tom responds to Jims false accusations on,
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1175546#i,
An answer why, MMS uses and claims were reviewed by a Dr. with a PhD in lieriture would be better. Or MMSDr.com, where the Dr is the initials of Dennis Richards, site owner, or books being rewritten by a Dr. with a PhDtH, whats that? Or tell us about the Religious Freedom Trust scam! Or why all the different stories don’t add up, like below.
Or • “In 1996, Jim used MMS to cure his own severe case of malaria, when he was in his mid-60s in Guyana (with proof from his hospital administered blood tests before and after MMS treatment)”.
Above is a quote from a Humbbell site, yet his book says it was his men he treated!
• I gave them both a healthy dose of the stabilized oxygen in some water and they drank it straight down. I thought, that’s all I can do for now; we’ll just have to wait for the runners to return
By: bruce on May 20, 2008
at 10:11 pm
Bruce,
None of these issues have anything to do with whether chlorine dioxide is safe, or effective in the application that JIM HUMBLE developed.
Even the tests that you cite have little meaning, since the chemistry of the body in which the MMS is entering must also be factored in, which is impossible to do. You will not find understanding in a petri dish.
Ultimately, what matters is whether IT WORKS for the person using it. Your protests and accusations to the contrary have little value. If it didn’t WORK, and if the science didn’t support that likelihood, this forum wouldn’t exist, and I’d be rambling on about something else.
Given your knowledge of, and experience with chlorine dioxide, YOU could have seen the potential of this application, but DIDN’T.
Attacking the man who did won’t change that. It won’t make you more credible either. I’m sure if someone chose to look into your life, they’ll find what you think of as “skeletons” too. Fact is, no one is interested in that.
You’re not persuading anyone when so many peoples’ actual experience DEMONSTRATES that the protocol does indeed work, and is safe as directed, and IS HELPING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE REDUCE THEIR PATHOGEN LEVELS, which is improving their state of health.
You’ll gain far more credibility by acknowledging the benefit than by trying to discredit someone else whose thesis is being proven to more people each day.
Best wishes,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on May 22, 2008
at 6:28 am
hey everybody,lets collectivey use our internet sleauthing,and find out just who bruce really is AND which big pharma company pays him.!!
By: thebigcheese on July 15, 2009
at 12:06 am
Jim,
Bruce’s issue is not in reading your book. His citing passages from the book is clear evidence that he’s reading it. However, his INTENT is to discredit YOU and dissuade people from using the protocol YOU developed. He feels upstaged.
He wants to be “King of Sodium Chlorite,” and have people use HIS methods… although he doesn’t have any. Yet he still wants to be king.
So his purposes are not the same as yours, and his interpretation of the information you’ve provided will be different. Since you appear to have the kingdom of MMS cornered, he’s jealous.
He hasn’t noticed that people are benefiting from your suggestion (or just doesn’t care).
He hasn’t developed or tested any derivatives or alternatives that are more effective, or even equally so. So he bitches.
No need to lose sleep over that.
Bless him.
Regards,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on May 22, 2008
at 6:41 am
I have two daughters with Lyme disease. I am very interested in what I’ve been reading here–and naturally skeptical. I always want to explore all sides. Open scientific debating is essential. The personal attacks are a waste of precious time. Please stick to the facts, everyone. And please, cite your sources–especially when you’re keeping yourself anonymous! Thank you. And please, continue on.
By: Daniel McElreavy on June 8, 2008
at 12:13 pm
How are your daughters doing? Its been a year, did they e ver get over their Lymes?
By: Greg Parks on August 15, 2009
at 8:36 pm
please keep this in mind at all times. thank you
-http://brontebaxter.wordpress.com/2008/06/07/the-power-of-being-little-why-we-can-stop-the-new-world-order/
By: jared on June 8, 2008
at 3:43 pm
A friend of mine brought this product to my attention and I am curious as to why there is no mention of verifiable evaluations by recognised authorities such as the FDA or similar. I feel that if it is indeed as good as claimed, then surely there would be some scientific evidence to support it.
I cannot see how Mr Humble could fail to recognise the importance of this step in validating his claims! Given peoples natural desire for information, especially regarding health and medicinal products, he can hardly be surprised that intelligent people are skeptical of anything claimed to be “miraculous”.
I don’t mean to sound nasty, but can you not appreciate how this sounds like snake oil?
A man living in Mexico, citing hundreds of thousands of happy customers mostly in 3rd world countries sounds like a man avoiding legal consequences in a more regulated society such as the US. Testimonials on his website from “Gary in Texas” and “Linda from Oregon”, claiming it’s cured everything from warts to cancer hardly constitutes compelling evidence.
Despite my misgivings, my friends’ attitude is one of “oh well, just try it and see”. Well I seem to recall that in the late 50’s/early 60’s an antiemetic was commonly given to pregnant women to combat morning sickness. It was not adequately tested regarding safety and this led to tragic results. Anyone remember Thalidomide?
Now I’m certainly not saying MMS or ClO2 is necessarily in the same league, but I’m sure it illustrates my point about ingesting an untested substance…
I would very much like to try it, but, with respect, I will need some scientific evaluation more credible than that of Gary from Texas and Linda from Oregon, who could well be a couple of kooks!
I look forward to having my skepticism proven unfounded.
Best Wishes
By: John on July 5, 2008
at 9:09 am
Hi Jim,
Why do people ask stupid questions when everything is in The Book ?
Now I know why Jim repeats 72 times the formula in his book… Some will still screw it up.
I don’t care about others opinions, whatever you do in life you cannot please everybody, so i make my own opinions/experiments.
I weigh 315 pounds, I’m 6′2″. I smoke a lot… yeah yeah yeah, I read somewhere it’s not healthy… I bet all of you posters are perfect…
Anyway, I use to cough a lot in the morning. I used the MMS formula EXACTLY like Jim says. 4 days later no caugh anymore and I mean NO caugh all day.
I also have very bad circulation in my legs and it is painfull, I use pain killers and over 200 Advil per month. After day 5, no more pain in the legs. And a little bonus, I lost 8 pounds doing nothing.
What a waste of time to answer these pseudo scholars/educated morons or maybe they are to cheap to spend $12 for the book ? All the answers are in it…or maybe you don’t want to read it because you wont be able to bitch anymore on something you never even read about.
Some say there are no stupid questions. Well I say there are stupid questions, just read blogs and forums like this one. Stupid questions come from stupid people.
Jim I support you anytime, anywhere.
I used it and I cured it.
Ben
By: ben on July 13, 2009
at 2:53 pm
fda??
did you say fda?
the gov agency where ITS OWN SCIENTISTS are suing it because of FALSEFYING many,many tests,and data?
how dumb are you really?
By: thebigcheese on July 15, 2009
at 12:10 am
I am using MMS with 32yrs case of lyme disease.
SEVERE infection.
I resorted to buying a phase contrast micro and I see the results.
Dramtic improvment over ABX.
We then tested the mms directly under a scope, we saw the bugs RUNNING out of the red cells.
Our test is not scientific, but it appears that MMS has merit.
I am staying on it. It appears to work as stated, abosrbed into red cells where taz comes out to zaps bugs dead.
By: james addison on July 5, 2008
at 12:41 pm
Hello John,
I appreciate your skepticism, but if you wait for “recognized authorities” outside of yourself to verify its efficacy, you might as well stop looking now. If there’s efficacy to the MMS protocol, it is something that YOU YOURSELF can decide.
There are countless protocols and procedures available that the “recognized authorities” have dismissed, if not suppressed, simply because their efficacy would upset a very profitable apple cart.
I’m not suggesting this this is happening now. I’m only saying that you can determine the efficacy of MMS (or lack thereof) without waiting for someone to tell you, and make it “okay.”
There will be more scientific evidence to support *this* application, but you can read quite a bit about chlorine dioxide and what it does. Once you understand that, simply reduce the concentration and imagine a microcosmic application (as compared to municipal and industrial applications), to conceive the possible outcomes *for you*.
Mr. Humble didn’t fail to recognize the importance of validating his claims. He wrote a book. People read it (myself included), then decided it was safe enough to try. Then they got THEIR OWN results… much of which has been phenomenal, and has served to verify the efficacy of Humble’s claims.
Intelligent people are also open minded, and willing to be responsible for their own judgment. There is plenty information (and misinformation) available to help an individual decide.
Again, I understand… but getting back to that word “intelligent”… a discerning mind will weigh the information without prejudice, and decide what is best for the individual.
I’ll tell you this: There are many messages being broadcast from “well respected” sources for various pharmaceuticals that do absolutely nothing for one’s health, and yet they are not questioned or challenged. If you are not willing to look beyond the surface, and what is “acceptable” to mainstream thought, then this is not for you.
If this were true, it would say more about the state of the U.S., and of the man. Mr. Humble hasn’t misrepresented himself or misled anyone. Yet, in the land of “free speech,” speaking truthfully about health matters is perceived to be dangerous. Yet you don’t seem bothered by that.
Perhaps for you. But if you have cancer, or warts, this is going to be of interest.
Yes, I remember it. Thalidomide was not introduced by an old codger who lives in Mexico. It was researched and tested.
In 100’s of thousands of uses, there have been *NO* deaths or other unfathomable effects from MMS. However, there is a growing body of POSITIVE RESULTS, none of which will mean anything to you if you don’t put your doubts and fears aside and simply decide what you’re going to do.
It’s not untested. If a man or woman in a white coat uses it on someone, and reports the results, those people could be Gary from Texas, or Linda from Oregon. People are people. Being a doctor doesn’t make one knowledgable about this, but not being a doctor doesn’t make one unqualified to understand it.
With all due respect John, your attitude will do you much more harm than MMS ever will. Each one of these people have not only the courage to change their habits, but the willingness to share what they’ve learned. What could you ever learn without people like that?
We certainly can’t learn anything through skepticism, except how to not learn anything new.
No one cares about your skepticism. People who want to reclaim their health will have the courage to make their own decision, and stand behind it. The “research” that you require simply gives you more reason not to do, or try something new.
Best wishes,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on July 10, 2008
at 8:06 am
Thankyou for the time you took to respond.
Whilst I thought you were sort of missing some of my points, or at least glossing over them a bit, I was actually beginning to think you yourself made some good ones.
However, after reading your last paragraph, I’m inclined to give more weight to the advice you offer in the first sentence of your first paragraph!
It seems that the essence of your argument is that intelligent people are willing to take personal risks whereas to ask for some kind of evidence indicates a lack of independent free thinking. I would submit the reverse is more accurate.
I understand how many people confuse advertising budgets and celebrity endorsements for credibility and verisimilitude. Eg the laundry powders’ enzymes MUST work because the guy on the ad wore a white lab coat AND glasses, or these vitamin pills or glucosamine supplements must work because an olympic runner swears by them. I’m not that gullible. That’s not at all what I’m waiting for and I’m disappointed you would presume that it is.
Unfortunately your offer of Mr Humbles book as evidence of the validity of his claims is, to me, akin to offering the Bible as evidence of Gods’ existence. I’m sure you’ll see my point.
To sum up, I think I shall take your advice in the paragraph “Again, I understand… but getting back to that word “intelligent”… a discerning mind will weigh the information without prejudice, and decide what is best for the individual”. I couldn’t have put it better myself.
Incidentally I like how you start off appreciating my skepticism, and end up not caring about it. That alone made it worth reading! lol Now, I’m off to watch some Benny Hinn…..
Again, thanks for your time. I’ll not waste any more of it. No need for a response.
Best Wishes.
By: John on July 11, 2008
at 5:50 am
Dear John,
Since further response from me is of no value to you, it may perhaps be helpful to others who read this thread.
Let’s be clear on one thing: Jim Humble’s book is NOT evidence of the validity of his claims.
It is only a claim, just as the Bible represents a claim to be the word of God. It represents, and points you in, a direction of thinking, just like the Bible. Thinking always precedes action.
The actual evidence of the validity of the concept — whether we’re talking about God, or MMS — is one’s actual confirming EXPERIENCE. This only comes by weighing one’s own feelings and choosing to act, and *apply* the concept in his or her life. That is the only way one can *know*.
Believing what’s in the Bible will NOT confirm or verify the existence of God. That too is a profoundly personal EXPERIENCE. KNOWING is born from experience.
The Gary’s from Texas and Linda’s from Oregon of the world KNOW what they’re talking about because they have experienced benefits, something you — or anyone who entrenches themself in a cocoon of skepticism — will never be able to have unless you also weigh the information and make a decision to trust… not Jim Humble, but YOUR SELF… trust your own judgment, and be responsible for your own decision.
We can’t intellectualize knowing, and *data* presented by anyone else — whether a researcher or our friends from Texas and Oregon — will not validate anything for US… that is, unless WE think it’s valid. And even then, it won’t BE valid unless we’re in full integrity with respect to our own intention, faith, belief, and commitment. These are all immeasurables that won’t appear in any scientific study, but are critical to the realization of any worthwhile goal.
Whatever your decision, I wish you the best.
Respectfully,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on July 11, 2008
at 8:07 am
“Jim Humble’s book is NOT evidence of the validity of his claims”
—It’s not? I thought 75,000 malaria cures was exactly that.
“The actual evidence of the validity of the concept — whether we’re talking about God, or MMS — is one’s actual confirming EXPERIENCE. This only comes by weighing one’s own feelings and choosing to act, and *apply* the concept in his or her life. That is the only way one can *know*.”
—So you’re saying without this mystical faith you can neither have your cure to your ailments via MMS or God?
—You could use this same arguement to rationalize someone to drink hummingbird blood from the shell of a snail to cure a lisp because it worked on a fella from Nantucket.
—You’re saying proof is in the trying it yourself, not with evidence.
I’m going to have to agree with John….
By: James on November 19, 2009
at 8:06 pm
I am currently using MMS. I have a blog on my journey with MMS at
http://houseofbugs.com/weblog/?site_id=309
I unknowingly purchased a product that contains MMS for my cats, out of desperation for something that would help me, as I deal with strays quite a bit and cat rescues.
I have had several pets diagnosed as untreatable by the veterinarian establishment here, and had to watch them die,one by one, after spending a lot of money on vet visits and antibiotics etc.
MMs has a long shelf life, which is good for me in case of emergencies.
I started using the product after reading that it would kill viruses and other assorted pathogens in the body.
When I read about acidifying the product after googling the sodium chlorite and finding jim humbles’ information and others, I started using it acidified. I also purchased some 28 percent MMS as well and started using that as soon as it arrived.
I posted all about this whole affair on my blog that is ongoing.
Today, several weeks later I have been healed of some sort of extensive lung infection that was bothering me but that I really was unaware of because of lack of actual coughing symptoms(just increasing problems breathing at night), and a black infected wound on my finger that was making a vein trail up my arm that took over my body suddenly overnight.
On the infected wound, I used jims spray recipe, and that is all on the wound repeatedly and kept taking MMS late into the night.
I sit here several days later with my bleached out wound, with the pain and redness gone, and no more vein trail(blood infection)up my arm.
My lungs are completely cleared of whatever was in them. My life is totally changed by this material because that is all that I have taken during this whole affair, no other meds or vitamins.
I have critics on my blog as well, and I say that they have a right to criticize, but I have a right to post on my journey with MMS. Thank you Jim.
By: roy on August 5, 2008
at 10:09 am
I am still taking MMS although I have reduced the dose somewhat. Now instead of taking 20 drops a day I am taking 10 in a soda(soda acidifies the MMS and gets rid of that taste).
I take mine in a diet coke knockoff(diet bubba cola).
I am now treating a kitten with a weak spray solution for some spotty ringworm(day 2).You have to watch about the strong solution on the skin because of the alkaline burn that can happen if left on the skin.
The finger infection is healed and is scarred up now as the flesh reforms(could have been a lot worse).
I am now treating some minor skin problems with a weak solution on myself.
Thank you for this forum.
By: roy on August 17, 2008
at 4:42 am
Adam, you’ve never heard of the “placebo effect”? People trying it for themselves and feeling better may indicate there’s something worth investigating, but it is no demonstration of efficacy. Efficacy can only be demonstrated when you have placebo control.
A double blind randomized trial would easily do this and would be extremely easy to set up and run.
I’d love to know the title of a published paper that shows this?
Jim?
I’d love to see some independent verification?
Jim?
With independent verification you’d win the noble prize for medicine…
By: Theo on October 8, 2008
at 2:55 am
If it’s so easy why don’t you run one.
Ben
By: ben on July 13, 2009
at 3:00 pm
god these pharma paid shils.
what a rotten life they must have.
pathetic theo.
By: thebigcheese on July 15, 2009
at 12:16 am
Maybe it’s just me,,,( but I suspect there are millions out there ),,, that ” governments that be” are very intwined with “Pharma’s that be”,,and do not want people to be cured , very quickly,, it will upset the “King Pin families” around the world,, since they own everything,,including the Pharma’s, in the world,,, They could lose a lot of money,,,power,,,and control..!!. Personally,,I say,,May God Bless Jim Humble with his incredible find,,,and I plan to order and use this new discovery. I believe there is something natural in our invironment to cure everything..God Bless you Jim
By: Karin on October 8, 2008
at 9:15 am
karin.the 13 families want to kill 90% of the worlds people.its sorcery and science.listen to tim rifat on the jeff rense show.its facinating,their beliefs and its what really drives world events.its in the archives and once a month.
they will ban mms.
By: thebigcheese on July 15, 2009
at 12:20 am
Jim,,I forgot,,,you can hide out here if ,,,,, well,,,you need to hide out,, because,, I do believe your end comment,,
By: Karin on October 8, 2008
at 9:22 am
One more thing for the skeptics,,,I am a very intelligent woman,,who reads,,checks out,, and watches very carefully the intentions of others,,since I have a parapalegic,,bed-bound,,wheelchair bound husband,,who occasionally has to struggle for his life,,,,so I know about all the side-effects of “Pharm’s meds” since my husband has to take about 20 of them twice a day to make his body function,,,but more importantly, I have watched all of the terrible side effects that have occurred that was so called “tested” by the FDA,,, that was never stated on any of these medicines,,, there has been equal damage along with the “help you get thru this problem” medicine. Just in case you thought a KOOK, or unintelligent being was speaking,,,,,again , I am more than impressed with a man like Jim Humble who wasn’t afraid to let the world know that something actually works, against the people who have nothing better to do all day than discredit something that could help people get well,,,,Thankyou for reading
By: Karin on October 8, 2008
at 9:35 am
Theo, thank you for your thoughts. See my response in my new post.
http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/2008/10/08/placebos-nocebos-double-blind-studies-and-mms/
Best wishes,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on October 8, 2008
at 12:42 pm
Roy,
Thank you for your contribution. Despite the fear, the public is learning about MMS, and how it can be of best benefit.
Regards,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on October 8, 2008
at 12:44 pm
i have read much about mms and am very interested in trying it out for myself. can you provide other websites and maybe chat room or other so that i can do more research before i try the product. basically, i don’t want to take it and have a reaction that is negative. also, is there scientific evidence about the “detoxing effect” and what it does to the body? i have read many articles that explain that you may feel “worse” before you get better, but i have not found any scientific evidence that can actually show that the ill effects are in fact toxins being released and then being excreted out of the body. again, i am extremely interested, but still minimally skepitical. why is this product not more widely advertised? i would think that if everything is true about the product, then why don’t we go out and give it to everyone? thank you for your time.
By: mvan on December 5, 2008
at 8:54 am
quote: “why is this product not more widely advertised?” unquote
Another that did not spend $12 to have all the answers.
Ben
By: ben on July 13, 2009
at 3:05 pm
I heard of the mms through my chiropractor who had just cured several of his patients of Candida with several small doses. At that time, I had developed severe flu symptoms, you know, shivers, congestion, sore throat, hoarse, aches. After one dose, those symptoms were all gone by morning!
It doesn’t take a double blind study for me to know that it works. I live my life trusting people having faith. I am grateful that Jim Humble has risked his reputation and his life for this information. This MMS gives hope to very sick people, and just that alone is worth so much!
Andrew
By: blindman on December 10, 2008
at 9:31 pm
One more thing, being skeptical by nature can be a barrier to true healing in most cases. Negativity is always a barrier, because every word that leave this type of person’s mouth is a self fulfilling prophesy.
Faith in some one or something is a blessing and a gift you some how receive. If you have never received such a gift, the future can seem bleak. It is through having trust and faith that the good things due are delivered.
Andrew
By: blindman on December 10, 2008
at 9:36 pm
I just ordered a pound of dry MMs and a pound of citric acid to make my own solution. After reading this thread I am becoming more skeptical. Are the claims being made that it is better to have blind faith, like the bible, then to have double blind placebo included in scientific research? Oh no, I think I may have made a mistake. I am grasping at straws because I have a life threatening disease. How does it tell the good bacteria from the bad? How can such a small amount make a difference considering the amount of water in the body?
Faith is for the blind. You can have as much faith, trust or prayer as you can muster but that can not affect physical reality. Either it works or it is just more money making quackery. Hopefully my lack in faith will not affect the trial I am desperately going to give this stuff. If it requires more than the chemical, well I had better start going back to church.
By: vex on December 12, 2008
at 11:51 am
Just try it… stop reading and act !
Ben
By: ben on July 13, 2009
at 3:06 pm
there is a 5 page pdf online that explains the science behind this product.it convinced my phd friend.contact me and i will give u the address or the file.
By: thebigcheese on July 15, 2009
at 12:25 am
hey vex!
I have no doubt you will benefit from this, with or without faith. This stuff is pure science on how it works, so just move forward.
I was referring to people having a lack of faith in products or people, not God. I do have faith in God myself, but that path has led me here. I do not go forward with any kind of faith healing.
Clorine Dioxide is best purchased from a source like BetterMMS. com so you can measure it out accurately. More is no necessarily better. Go to curezone.com and enter mms on the search line. Remember though, that it will come down to just you and no one else, and you will have to decide what you will do. Do this.
Chlorine dioxide only attacks acidic microbiology which are pathogens, viruses, mold, spores, and drugs. Your own flesh and organs are alkaline, and will not be affected.
Do yourself a favor, and learn about this, and move forward. When I pray, I will remember you in your sickness. Just remember, you can heal yourself.
By: blindman on December 13, 2008
at 10:23 pm
Ok, ive read Jim Humbles entire book, and i do not doubt that MMS is an effective killer of pathogens, and yes Chlorine dioxide is an extremely effective method for sterilizing water . . . but you do not want to sterilize your stomach . . . The most obviously bogus claim made by Humble is the selectivity of MMS for only things that are bad . . . This claim has been repeated on this blog. There are many beneficial microorganisms inhabiting our body, and Chlorine dioxide has no mechanism for discriminating between these and harmful microorganisms. Furthermore, the implication that it targets only things that are acidic in nature and therefore “bad” is absurd. Bacteria thrive in both acidic and basic environments, so how would MMS target pathogens that arent acidic? Furthermore many areas of the body are acidic. Please people, learn a little basic chemistry, don’t just take Jim Humbles word for it. A lie repeated 1,000 times is still a lie. If you study even a little acid-base and redox chemistry, you will realize that nothing in Jim Humble’s book adequately explains how MMS does what it is purported too. Basic clinical trials could be done in a high school chemistry lab to prove or disprove many of Humble’s claims, yet he presents no real evidence. Anecdotal assertions are no evidence. You can find anecdotal support for anything you want, especially on the internet where unsubstantiated claims prevail.
MMS probably does have real potential as pathogen killer in certain circumstances and applications. Its a shame unsubstantiated claims interfere with legitimate research and debate.
By: sam on November 21, 2009
at 9:17 am
Dear Sam,
You would be far more credible if you said that you are not aware of how chlorine dioxide can discriminate between beneficial and harmful microorganisms. Unless you have looked into the entirety of possible interaction methods, you don’t know that a claim is “bogus.”
I agree with you that the terms, “good” and “bad” are inappropriate in the discussion.
The aerobic or anaerobic nature of the microorganism determines its electrical and vibrational charge. That electrical charge determines whether chlorine dioxide “goes off,” or whether it does not. It is indeed possible for an aerobic microorganism to live in the acidic ocean that is the stomach, and not be oxidized by a negatively charged chlorine dioxide, but oxidize a positively charged parasite, virus, or bacterium.
Whether you are satisfied with Jim Humble’s claims, he has articulated them sufficiently enough to get people, including a growing number of doctors and researchers, to see the application’s potential, and to major beneficial effect. We routinely dismiss positive information as “anecdotal” and then accept and even rationalize bogus concepts presented by the medical establishment simply because they ran through all of the FDA’s hoops and paid the high cost of approval, yet they rely on strategies that toxify the body and take it further out of balance, and away from health.
MMS hasn’t harmed anyone — even people who take stupid amounts of it — and has shown itself to be an effective way to do something that is very important when a person has a chronic condition, i.e., reduce pathogen overgrowth, which brings the body back toward balance. If you have better suggestions, we’re all ears.
Regards,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on November 21, 2009
at 9:41 am
If you want a good source of MMS go to mmsmiracle.com/dshegar. MMS Professional™ is the only professional grade MMS on the market, manufactured by an FDA certified GMP compliant Nutraceutical company and packaged with the utmost attention to quality and safety.
By: ralph on January 9, 2009
at 9:38 am
You can also go to http://www.mmsmiracle.com/jasongregg to purchase MMS, the latest book that I recommend everyone read, and the DVD.
By: jason gregg on January 28, 2009
at 12:44 pm
There’s a HUGE MMS thread on the project avalon group ( http://www.projectavalon.net ) I think 17 pages or so.
My findings are that people who are so insistent on double blind studies (and I’d be really surprised if anyone could double blind MMS, the smell is soooo very obvious) – are those who have bought the medical model hook, line, and sinker.
Having worked in and around that field, I am sometimes more skeptical of that field than I am of some alternative medicines.
I have no financial interest in MMS, other than using it, and have found it very helpful in a wide range of problems. I currently have my cat on it (after a round of antibiotics for a staph infection made him sicker than he was to start).
MMS is a permanent part of my medical “chest” and given what I think is going to be happening with the pharmaceutical industry over the next 12 months, may well be the best choice I’ve ever made.
Pam
By: Pam on February 18, 2009
at 2:26 pm
Hi Pam,
More and more people are learning that double blind studies generally prove nothing, especially when you’re not measuring whether the chemical being studied actually solves the medical problem that it purports to solve. I wonder what double blind studies were done with Coumadin, which began life as a rat poison, but gained FDA approval as a blood thinner. The FDA will allow rat poison to be administered to humans, when in fact, too viscous blood is a sign of DEHYDRATION, which can be helped by MMS, and more fundamentally, by drinking STRUCTURED WATER. The public has a lot of waking up to do because too many are dying while putting their lives in the hands of modern medicine.
Best wishes,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on February 19, 2009
at 6:38 am
dont the quack docs use a weak form of activated mms called dioxychlor?
By: thebigcheese on July 15, 2009
at 12:28 am
I don’t have a doctor. I don’t believe the FDA has any integre=ity what-so-ever. I also don’t take any credence in statements made by spineless intellectuals who use a number instead of their name I intend to buy some of Jim Humbles product and ntry it myself. Fotunately I am a healthy individual of 71 years who is in good health because I don’t take tany of the toxic medicines approved by the FDA.
By: Jerry Cupp on February 22, 2009
at 3:23 pm
Double-blind studies are routinely performed by people who have zero economic interest by very, very poor creatures known as “grad students” on everything from Vitamin C to DCA, and all other manner of cheap, readily attainable substances. If you don’t trust your doctor, mosey on over to PubMed and print out for the next visit.
Project Camelot is at best a misinformation mill–Edgar Cayce? Hello? did you militia-types not notice that Cayce’s Atlantis schtick came directly from some One-World-Government types?–and Humble is a gold miner. Do you get it?
By: some dude on March 23, 2009
at 9:44 am
You ARE naive Dude.
You suggest that people who perform double-blind studies have no economic interest… they all do. The study doesn’t get funded if they can’t produce an outcome that the funding entity, usually a pharmaceutical company, wants. These people want to pay their bills… and in the case of grad students who are even more naive than you, they want to get jobs when they graduate.
Before you go off criticizing people you don’t know, ask yourself why you don’t demonstrate the courage to reveal yourself, but stand behind such dehumanizing self-descriptors as “dude” and chimp marmoset. The marmoset is cute as a bug, but you do its name a disservice. The state of our ideas about health today are too important to trivialize, especially when the predominant solutions make people sicker if they don’t kill them. How you could criticize people who clearly see where the problem is, and are seeking viable solutions, simply shows you’re still asleep at the wheel in your own health consciousness.
You’ll have your day, and your opportunity to awaken, as will we all.
Regards,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on March 23, 2009
at 12:36 pm
What a waste of my time… If you are skeptical, you are to cheap to buy the $12 book with all the answers… I had a world athletic level friend who was skeptical about everything… we burried him 4 years ago. This argument is as good as yours.
Ben
By: ben on July 13, 2009
at 3:13 pm
you are fired agent somedude.your weak attempt at disinfo merits your immediate termination from one of our three letter agencies,and our not-on-the-map military bases for internet warfare and mind control.
maby you can write for a catering agency or a clown school.
by the way,may you also get very sick and go to a doctor.
By: thebigcheese on July 15, 2009
at 12:32 am
Hi Adam,
what happened?
my question about MMS working against chlamydia and mycoplasma got erased.
I posted it two days ago and saw it on the board till yesterday – now it’s nowhere.
Please, could you still give me your point of view on:
the effect of MMS on:
chlamydia,
mycoplasma,
gonorrhea.
blessings,
pascal
By: pascal on March 24, 2009
at 4:24 am
Pascal,
I’m not sure about what happened to your first question, but thank you for writing again. When you appreciate how the chlorine dioxide molecule works, and the chemical nature of each of the organisms that you mention, the question answers itself.
Chlamydia is termed a “disease,” due to the bacterium, chlamydia trachomatis, which is part of a bacterial family classified as a pathogen. Although they have no cell walls, mycoplasmas are also pathogens. Caused by the Neisseria gonorrhoeae bacteria, gonorrhea shares, with the other two, a penchant to proliferate in an oxygen deficient environment. At present, medical science ignores the environment in which pathenogenesis is triggered, and occurs, yet, Louis Pasteur claimed on his death bed that the germ is nothing, the terrain is everything.
MMS/chlorine dioxide addresses the terrain that these and other pathogens proliferate in, by introducing high amounts of negatively charged oxygen ions into the environment and reacting only with pathogens which themselves are positively charged. This electrostatic relationship causes the pathogens to release up to five of their electrons. They don’t have a choice in this. It’s not optional. There are no MRSA-type pathogens in this kind of dynamic. A pathogen may “morph” (pleomorphism), but it cannot change its electrostatic nature. It will always be positively charged. As such, it will always be subject to oxidation.
Best wishes and regards,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on March 25, 2009
at 6:32 am
I believe both sides have made truthful statements as well as misguided and/or misleading ones.
There is no one cure-all and anyone who thinks there is is missing the “front-end” of chronic health problems: diet, emotional imbalances, imbalanced behaviors (too much sex, over-work, etc).
The bottomline of my point: There must be some good to MMS or it wouldn’t have gotten this far, placebo-effect taken into account. Placebo last for a while, but I have seen longer effects here. On the other hand, a depleted patient with a set of digestive frailty and liver issues may meet their demise by using MMS…get it?
Don’t make risky or sensitive health decisions via the internet alone…get different sources and then and only then, listen to your mind and gut (another part of the brain and mind).
Good luck and be well,
Paul Gerst L.Ac.
By: Paul Gerst L.Ac. on April 6, 2009
at 8:58 am
Greetings Paul, welcome, and thank you for your sage advice.
Best wishes,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on April 10, 2009
at 6:02 am
well what about the many cases of near death cases where mms provided the cure?how bad where their livers?you dont need to over do it,but in some cases go easy.you need to spend more research time and watch the videos,and read the pdfs.there is ,in my opinion no placebo effect.mms works,the science proves it.it doesnt cure all,just 985 of themm.
By: thebigcheese on July 15, 2009
at 12:37 am
I waltzed over to lymenet.uk the other day to find out if they had anyone with lyme disease that had tried MMS present or past…big mistake there.
Being pounced upon for asking a simple question then reading me the riot act over my website etc. etc. etc. and accused of all sorts of heinous actszz, because I give my pets diluted MMS.
I also give them steam treatments using MMS when needed for upper respiratory infection(accused of animal experimentation just for trying to help a pet with an illness that vets say euthanize for–I lost several before I got MMS).
I have never had such a lousy reception on a blog in 10 years of being online. Attacked unmercifully from day 1…geeze.
Apparently the resident health crew that sits there on their haunches waiting for “fresh meat” was aroused by my visit….to the point of harassing me endlessly and belittling what I do for pets and everything else that I have tried using MMS.
Folks if you want information on anyone out there that might have tried MMS for anything and think that you can go blogging about it….don’t expect any open mindedness…but do make sure that you carry your shield for all of the anti-MMS rhetoric out there.
No wonder more folks don’t try it…with med peeps calling it bleach and comparing it to drinking lysol etc. etc. etc…oh geeze!
Still drinking MMS and loving it.
Roy
By: roy on April 7, 2009
at 2:01 pm
Big oops there folks, the blog is http://lymeneteurope.org not lymenet.uk, what was I thinking? Yes I used the same name there as here, if you want a few laughs, drop by.
By: roy on April 7, 2009
at 2:08 pm
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By: Jim Humble and Miracle Mineral Stuff [MMS] | Atheist Age on April 30, 2009
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I use MMS. I don’t have a major testimony – mainly because I am generally healthy (not symptomatic of anything serious). Here is what MMS does for me:
1. I got rid of dandruff. Ever since being a teenager, I’ve had dandruff and just couldn’t get rid of it. Various shampoos and oils didn’t work. Well, about two months ago, I read that dandruff is caused by bacteria (I always thought it was just the result of dry scalp). The same night that I read this, I washed my hair with MMS. The dandruff was completely gone after the one wash. I used to brush my hair and watch the dandruff fall like snow. Now I can literally scrape my scalp with a rigid comb, and no flakes appear. I expected the MMS to get rid of the dandruff, but was surprised that it took just ONE wash. BTW, the mixture was 20 drops of MMS and two and a half teaspoons of lemon juice.
2. I got rid of shaving bumps and acne. Acne is caused by bacteria that is trapped in the pores. Shaving bumps occur when growing hair gets trapped underneath the skin, with bacteria that sets up infection. I started washing my face with MMS every other day. I have not had a single shaving bump since I started washing my face with MMS. The in-grown hairs still occur, but there are no bumps. The acne is vurtually gone – I get an occasional whitehead. The clearness of my skin has improved so much so that my son and daughter took notice, and now they wash their faces with MMS. All bumps on their faces were gone after only two washes.
3. Got rid of bad breath. For years I’ve brushed my teeth with hydrogen peroxide, toothpaste, and then rinse with a mouthwash. Even after all of this, I would wake up in the morning with a very slight touch of morning breath. The very first time I brushed with MMS, the odor was completely gone. I didn’t brush with MMS again just to see how long I could go before the odor would start to come back – 3 days. Now I brush every other day with MMS, and I can be confident when socializing with others that I don’t have stinky breath.
4. A sore on my penis healed. This is not an STD. I used Shower-To-Shower brand body powder that dried out my skin to the point that the skin cracked. It wouldn’t heal for months because whenever I bathed, the scab would come off. I drank some activated MMS – that particular dose was 15 drops of MMS and 75 drops of lemon juice). The dose was to much for me – I vomited profusely for 10 min and had diarrhea for the remainder of the day. Well, two days later I noticed that the sore on my penis was completely healed.
I admit that this isn’t exactly a jaw-dropping testimonial (like “my three oz. tumor dissolved in two days”). But, again, I’m generally in good health – I use MMS as one af many tools to stay that way.
By: Rock Johnson on May 21, 2009
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Rock,
You may think this is not significant, but these kinds of situations affect MILLIONS MORE people than cancer and other “major” issues. The fact is that we’re all on a single continuum of health, experiencing a level of healthiness, or unhealthiness. The factors that influence where any individual may be in that matrix, are fairly common for us all. Labeling various symptoms and pathologies as “diseases” leads people to believe that they are not related, so that they feel free to “tune out” when someone talks about a problem that isn’t theirs.
Thank you for your openness. This will help many people to CAN definitely relate to this.
Best wishes,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on May 23, 2009
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I just finished reading Jim’s book and have been taking MMS for a week now. I’m finally up to 7 drops twice a day because I was nauseous for a few days at 5 and 6 drops. I plan to go up to 15 and stay there for about a week and then go to a maintenance dose of 6 drops. I’m also using it to brush my teeth and today started using it on my face for acne. Tomorrow, I’m going to try it on a seed wart on my hand.
Here are the amazing results I am getting from it:
1. No more bad breath too. My teeth and gums stay much cleaner and I don’t have bad breath anymore. I also no longer have the white stuff on my tongue that used to build up during the day.
2. No more persistent cough. I started taking MMS because I had a cough that just would not go away. I had walking pneumonia in January and had suffered from a terrible cough ever since. I was taking codeine cough syrup for much of the last 5 months so that I could hold a conversation without hacking up a lung (my profession requires lots of talking and it was rather embarrassing when clients would ask how long I’d been smoking because I had such a persistent cough – I have NEVER smoked). My cough went away on the second day. Well, sort of. For about an hour after I take the MMS, I cough a ton. It seems that I am getting up all that mucus out of my lungs. Then, after that hour, I’m fine. No more cough. I’m thrilled! I’m certain the coughing that occurs after I take the MMS will eventually go away. It is already less now than it was the first day.
3. Acid Reflux & Stomach issues – I have had stomach issues most of my life. I got a parasite when I was primitive camping in Venezuela at age 16. Since that time, I had complained to doctor after doctor that, when I ate food, I would get sick afterward. I would become very nauseous. Some doctors said it was acid reflux, some said it was allergies, others leaky gut, others said it was in my head. NONE had an answer or a solution. About 3 years ago, a holistic chiropractor did some tests and discovered the parasite. We treated it with wormwood for months. I felt better, but still had some foods that would cause extreme nausea for me. Since taking the MMS, my nausea after eating has been significantly less and yesterday I didn’t have any nausea after eating (and I had the typical memorial day foods – hamburgers, chips, fries, etc. – things that would normally make me very ill). So, I know the MMS is fixing whatever it was that has caused the nausea after eating. I really don’t care what the cause was as long as the MMS fixes it for good. It will be nice to not have to worry about getting sick after every time I eat.
As for the skeptics, I highly recommend trying MMS. I have recommended it to all my friends and my family.
As for the double blind studies and FDA approval that some require, those things take lots and lots of money. The reason a drug company is willing to spend the money to develop a drug and seek approval from the FDA is that they can charge $10 a pill or more for the drug so long as the patent is in effect. Then, they simply change the drug slightly and get a new patent (that’s why Seasonale was replaced by Seasonique). Once the patent expires, the drug can be produced as a generic and is much cheaper. So, the drug companies have to convince you that the new drug is improved so you’ll buy that instead of the generic.
So, back to MMS and clinical trials, etc. Why would a drug company be interested in spending hundreds of millions of dollars to test and get FDA approval for a mineral supplement that can be produced by anyone, cannot have a patent and sells for just $20 for about a one year supply? ANSWER: They wouldn’t! It just doesn’t make economic sense. So, if you want a double blind study or FDA approval, it would have to be funded by a philanthropist who is willing to donate the money for the trials. So far, Jim Humble has not found such a philanthropist despite his best efforts.
But, for me, I don’t need those trials. The results I have experienced speak for themselves and make me a believer in MMS. I don’t really trust the FDA since so many of the “fast tracked” drugs they’ve approved have resulted in so many deaths. The FDA is interested in supporting big pharma, not supplements and vitamins.
I used to place all of my trust in doctors and follow everything they told me to do. I no longer do that. No doctor even thought to ask me about travels to foreign countries. Had they just asked, they’d have realized I probably picked up a parasite. How could I not? I was primitive camping in the jungles of Venezuela! So, I now seek alternative medicine first and, if that doesn’t work, then I go to “modern medicine”. Although, with MMS, I think modern medicine will only be needed for setting broken bones and other things that aren’t caused by parasites, bacteria, viruses, etc.
Good luck to all in your journey to good health! I’m looking forward to finally having my health back!
Take care,
Terry
By: Terry on May 26, 2009
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Hoo hah, Terry! I’m so happy for you, as I am for any individual who has re-claimed their health. Our family has been using MMS since August 2007, and, like yourself, have found it a great, inexpensive, tool in our “wellness toolbox”. And your comments about having it FDA approved are bang on, unfortunately. That’s why it’s up to us to continue spreading the word about MMS, and sharing our experiences, because I don’t think you’ll be seeing Jim Humble in a TV ad any time soon
Congratulations!
Julie
By: CdnFarmgirl on May 26, 2009
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Can anyone tell me if using lemon juice instead of critic acid, does it render the mms ‘less’ potent? Its just that I’m on 15 mms twice a day and its the first time I’ve used lemon and I’ve noticed the smell isn’t as strong when there put together!
Regards
Tony.
By: Tony malone on May 30, 2009
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Citric acid does make a “stronger” mix…many people have switched to lemon or lime juice when they find it too strong. You can add lots more water to the activated MMS and find it smells and tastes less strong.
By: CdnFarmgirl on May 30, 2009
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actually dr h at http://www.williamhittcenter.com says that lime juice drops make stronger activated mms(chlorine dioxide).the effects are stronger.
its on you tube
By: thebigcheese on July 15, 2009
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I have had a personal experience where a friend has gone to Indonesia on a surf trip and when he returned to the states, he was hospitalized with very SEVERE sickness. In the hospital, there was not 1 doctor that could diagnos him with an illness. We had a feeling it was Maleria and we have read Jim Humbles book on how to treat the disease. After 10 DAYS! in the hospital with no clue what was wrong with this man…104 degree fever, nausea, extreme pain in his abdomin…we decided to take the matter into our own hands and test Mr. Humble on his statement that this product has cured maleria in many cases. So we took our buddy the MMS and gave him the recommended dosages and within 1 day his fever dropped 3 degrees and within 2 days, he was released from the hospital! After spending 10 days in the hospital, only getting worse everyday. i can only believe that MMS was the main contributing factor in my friends recovery. FULL RECOVERY. It was later confirmed through tests that he did, in fact, contract the maleria disease while over seas. How would you explain that? Also, it is said that there is NO CURE for this disease what-so-ever…well…my friend has not one sign of it left in his system! These are the facts people. Read Jims book and you will see that this product has cured many of people that have used it properly! How is it that you put your trust in pharmacudicals that are full of chemicals and the side effects are listed as possibly fatal…yet you see a product that is simple chemistry and made of 3 main (natural) ingredients and just think it can’t be true. Ridiculous! Open your minds people and believe in the results. Read the book. there are so many benefits from this product, even down to the smallest differences.
Another fact…my brother is the one who turned me onto this and he has a long occuring issue with a oral surgery he had as a kid where if he sucked on his gums (like when you are trying to clean your teeth of food after eating) his gums would start bleeding. EVERYTIME. Since he has taken the MMS, no matter how hard he tries…no blood. Thats after years of the contrary.
Another fact… a few weeks ago, i started getting simptoms of a cold. Sore throat, head ache and the works. The first day the signs surfaced…i took a couple extra drops of MMS for the next fews days and the cold never developed at all! Well, i got a bit of a cough, but nothing like you would get with a nasty cold. No green flem…no major cough…no fever…no snot (sorry to be grosse but we all know what the cold is like). It was so minor i barely even noticed it after the 3rd day. I havent been sick since i started taking the product! I’m Telling you…just look into the facts and you will be amazed at how you can change your life with a few drops a day. READ THE BOOK. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND HAVE AN OPEN MIND. Lastly i want to say…alot of folks might think that this is some scam to get money and its too good to be true, lets think about that logically… $20 for a 1 year supply!! there is nothing on the market out there where you can get 1yrs worth for $20! give me a break.
By: kelley on June 1, 2009
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Why did the Gates Foundation turn them down its a GOOD indicator its crap–Im no fan of Gates but I know their Foundation’s weeding out processes– and theyre very exacting and dont have a habit of turning down anything remotely promising–especially if on a global scale like Malaria!!
look at the $750,000 they threw to that Northeastern Prof for accidentally hitting upon the link to TB of bacterial persistence?? He isnt even a TB researcher so its a long shot–yet Gates Found thought it prudent “in case”
and DWOB( DR w/o Borders)–of course they laughed–wouldnt you??? and what about the military–alwasy looking for cheap fixes for the troops and IF MMS kept the soldiers free of malaria and other stuff Im guessing theyd have already jumped on it!!! and bought up every last drop too!!! They have cornered vaccines and antivirals, why not this??
as for Africa, people have personally emailed the dept /ministers of Health in Uganda, in Malawi and even 2 specific hospitals that supposedly trialed the stuff they call MMS !!!
well folks to this date those depts claim NO involvement with Humble or the product and have indeed verified the existence of a BAD Malaria problem still there
Matter of fact, they increased funds via WHO and other sources both governmental and public/private to insure that every child/most adults get treated nets!!!
Why spend the money on nets and making sure theyre used if a simpler $20 bottle of bleach will cure several of them??
and why wouldnt the hospital and/or govts of the African nations BRAG that theyve found a cure??
and the researchers ( virologists, physical anthropologists,primotologists, tropical herbologists, cultural anthro, etc)going into Africa, from US, Europe, etc why arent any of THEM jumping on this??? becasue its BOGUS
I get so damn ANNOYED at those trying to claim such blatantly invalid crap while so many are dying just to make a buck and seem important.
IF they ever were in Africa and IF those photos arent faked, my guess ( after doing extensive research) is that the cup MAY not have even held the MMS–Ive looked at so many versions of the so called video and the child isnt wincing or reacting as if the stuff is bad enuf tasting to the degree you expect
adults are gagging on it–why expect a kid to accept it?? or not immediately vomit it??
IF the child is too ill to react, and the MMS IS in there who is to say it wasnt still staged?? with the Dr and/or parent unaware OR with the Drs complicity?? those countries are very poor and very prone to taking money for anything–corruption abounds–slip a medic $10 American and you can take a pic of anything!!
and where are the before and after blood tests??
why bother wasting energy: its NOT valid and yet they constantly bring it up–like some Messianic cure all
By: Herman3 on August 25, 2009
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Does mms help or cure HPV?
By: japjap on June 25, 2009
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cures it.
By: thebigcheese on July 15, 2009
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I’ve watched a jim humble video. Read long explainations by him and and others who sell MMS.
No one seems to directly address the obvious and false claim. That CLO2 can seek harmful microbes or cancerous cells and leave good cells or beneficial bacteria alone. This is absolutely false and impossible.
The basic tenant is that chlorine dioxide (or any oxidizer or reducer) will react only with harmful cells and viruses. Any reactive inorganic chemical – such as acids, chlorine, oxygen radicals, lye, you name it, will react with all organic molecules. End of story.
Please address the above paragraph when replying.
No matter how he spins this web of chemistry this basic fact remains. Pour hydrogen peroxide (oxidizer), clorox bleach, or drano (a reducer) on living cells and chemical reactions occur. All organisms – no exceptions. The same with CLO2.
The only substance made by our bodies that can circulate and attach to specific microbes are antibodies made by our immune system cells. Antibodies are extremely large protiens, specifically designed to attach to the surface on an invading organism.
Note: Antibiotics are organic molecules that target specific target enzymes found in bacteria, not in mammals.
I cannot repeat this enough: Our immune systems carefully identify foriegn organisms, mark each one with antibodies, each marked organism is swallowed, then digested. We don’t let oxygen, chlorine or any other substance loose into circulation – that would be suicide.
Articles by Humble and others selling MMS use half truths. One example from a Humble article:
“Hypochlorous acid is probably the most important acid of the immune system. It kills pathogens, killer cells, even cancerous cells with this
acid.”
It’s true that hypochlorous acid (and many other inorganic substances) are used to kill invading organisms.
What’s left out: this killing with oxidizers and enzymes occurs ONLY WITHIN our white blood cells. The white blood cells store these toxic substances in special compartments within the cells, the organisms are swallowed, then exposed to these chemicals.
These toxic substances are not in circulation. The immune cells make them, just like your stomach cell produce the highly toxic hydrochloric acid (HCL), and its kept within the stomach.
Other lies I have read and seen from other sellers & promoters include:
Cancer cells are anaerobic, and this oxidizes them. Truth: Cancer cells need MORE oxygen than normal cells.
Cancer Basics:
1. Cancer cells NEED MORE OXYGEN than your normal cells! Because they have a higher metabolism – faster cell division, and need to make more energy to do that.
2. Angiogenesis is the marker for cancer. It’s when cancer cells release hormones creating more blood vessels than found in your normal tissues. Some medical scans look for places of increased oxygen to find cancers.
3. Several anti-cancer drugs are in the works to prevent angiogenesis. In other words – reduce oxygen supply to the tumor.
Another lie is that “all dangerous microbes are anaerobic, and good organisms are aerobic”. Absolutely a lie.
1) Some very dangerous organisms are aerobic – try strep.
2) All viruses are neither anaerobic nor aerobic – basic biology.
2) There are several classes of anaerobic bacteria – most that can harm us are called faculatative anaerobic. They can survive in an oxygen environement – such as our bodies.
By: palpable on September 26, 2009
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would someone please reply to palpable. I’ve already ordered my MMS and still plan on using it even after hearing both sides as i believe that i know my body better than anyone else. But which scientific facts are right? I often wish i had the super power of knowing who was lying. I believe that what the FDA offers is way more harmful than anything that Jim Humble would advise but i would like to know more about how the body works and everyone seems to have their own beliefs. I will let you know how it works for me, thanks everyone for sharing your stories. I have no ill intent except to help my family and friends.
By: Heather on October 6, 2009
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Dear Heather,
I can appreciate your concern about palpable’s statements. They are very well presented and intended for you to do one thing. STOP moving forth with MMS. Personally, I can’t tell you whether he’s “right” or “wrong” in his opinion over microbial interactions. He is also right when he suggests that half-truths are being told. However, ALL “truths,” are half-truths. NONE… even palpable’s are not absolute. NO ONE… even a most intelligent palpable, or even an intelligent ME, knows what’s true IN TOTO, with respect to physiological and chemical dynamics going on inside the body, especially for someone else.
There are so many factors involved in the human micro and nanosphere, that one can only focus on a small portion of the players involved. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, the real “X” factor is most often ignored — that is, the individual him or herself. The Consciousness, the Being who is choosing to turn his or her health around. As powerful as MMS is, it is not as powerful as the Being. Most humans don’t realize just how powerful we are. And that includes, how WE MAKE OURSELVES SICK, or susceptible to disease. (Read Bruce Lipton’s The Biology of Belief, and listen to my podcast interview with him on his web site.) Then we listen to people who we think know more than we do, who tell us how vulnerable we are, and in believing THEM to be “right,” we make ourselves vulnerable, and susceptible to the danger that they have warned us about.
I spoke to a man yesterday who had psoriasis since the age of 7. Now in his 40’s, he does not. Over that time frame, he has used virtually every accepted method of treating the condition known, to no avail. However, it went away after he used MMS. MMS… the chlorine dioxide that is generated from the protocol, helped make conditions suitable for his body to correct the problem and no longer manifest the psoriasis condition. Perhaps palpable would argue why that wouldn’t work too, but it doesn’t matter.
I’ve spoken to many people who have had chronic conditions go away after using MMS. The first factor in the process, was and is THE INDIVIDUAL WANTING TO GET A DIFFERENT OUTCOME THAN THEY’D BEEN ACCUSTOMED TO. In other words, ready to be healthy again. It’s not so important that I be able to account for the whereabouts and activities of every cell in my body. There is plenty of evidence, from Jim Humble and many others, that chlorine dioxide is safe to use as recommended, and the RESULTS tend to bear that out. I respect palpable’s knowledge of microbiology, but with all that knowledge, he ignores the POSITIVE RESULTS that hundreds of thousands of people are now getting, AND he offers no equally appealing and EFFECTIVE alternative.
Your choice is, of course, up to you.
Best wishes,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on October 7, 2009
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what can mms do for a person on dialysis, i have been on dialysis for over 17 years and have a problems with my pth thyroid levels, I pray this will work for me and I’ll fly out to mexico to get it. Help!!!
By: vee on September 28, 2009
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Dear Vee,
It would be easy to say that MMS will help, which I believe that it will. But if you’re really seeking to heal, you would need to (1) know — or at least accept — that healing is possible, (2) that you created, and are maintaining the energetic pattern that is “kidney disease,” and that (3) said energetic and emotional factors that contributed to the creation of your present situation can and must be cleared in order to allow “physical re-normalization” (healing) to take place.
It’s not about tracking down or reliving past traumas, but forgiving whatever, and whoever served as catalyst for the current state, and ALLOWING the discordant energy that is presently within you to flow OUT of you so that new light can reconfigure your body and reactivate its proper functioning. Re-hydrating your body with structured water will help the process. While taking nascent iodine would also help the thyroid function, doing what I have suggested above will help the Whole Being that is YOU.
Best wishes,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on October 1, 2009
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Thanks Adam,
That was well said. I do find it interesting that of all the critics out there, none of them have actually tried MMS. I haven’t yet found anyone saying they’ve tried it and it hasn’t helped. That to me would be more believing than just straight up cynacism.
By: Heather on October 7, 2009
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A quote from Adam:
“They are very well presented and intended for you to do one thing. STOP moving forth with MMS.”
Your above assumption concerning my motivation is incorrect. It’s easier to dismiss valid questions when one is labeled as other or even an enemy.
Also sating that all truths are half truths is a red herring, a distraction technique. Please advise me as to which of my statements are half truths. Please be specific. I know what I stated in my post is correct. I stated that MMS does not work through the mechanisms touted. That’s all.
I sense the half truths arise from the promoters. Adam, Please ask any MMS seller, Jim Humble, to read my staement directly reply.
I have taught anatomy, physiology and pathology at ALTERNATIVE health care institutes for 20 years. I teach workshops on alternative healing modalities. I’ve been an alternative practitioner for 25 years. Most allopathic practices drive me nuts.
And please keep in mind, I have no vested interests one way or the other in MMS, unlike the sellers.
My concern (rather than assuming my motivation) is for those that may be harmed by this substance. MMS was brought to my attention a few weeks ago when my son sent me material. He was concerned for several close relatives that were taking MMS. I investigated and informed them of my opinion.
A few days later, to my surprise, I get emails from a distant friend promoting MMS. I sent her my opinion. She said I might want to post my same email reply on this site. So I did.
Only side I’m on is the truth
By: palpable on October 8, 2009
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Dear palpable…
My opinion is my opinion, as yours is yours. I don’t see you as an enemy, or adversary. I didn’t disagree with anything you said, as you appear to have some knowledge of biochemistry. I did, however, point out that no matter how extensive your understanding of biochemistry, you cannot account for the complete cascade of effects that are happening from one individual to the next. For a beneficial effect to occur within so many people, beneficial things must be happening. One can’t close their eyes to that and be credible.
It was very evident that you are new to MMS, and have little knowledge of actual experience that people have had with the protocol. That’s okay too. Your “truth” sounds convincing, but it is the truth of an MMS neophyte. You may be right in everything you said, but the bottom line has been improvement, as people have reduced their body’s pathogen load using the protocol. It’s not the only thing one can do, but it appears to be effective as billed.
Many of the positive experiences that people have achieved with MMS… — from psoriasis, to bronchial and respiratory, to diabetes, and various forms of cancer had occurred, in some cases, after years of ineffective allopathic medications. You didn’t acknowledge this, or show any curiosity (open mindedness) along those lines.
You put yourself on the side of “truth” (as though you’re by yourself), with no understanding of real benefits that people are achieving. You even sent your limited opinion to a distant friend, apparently without asking her what triggered the decision. Enthusiasm is a very powerful factor in health and healing. However, there must be some scientific basis to consider a new modality, and at this time, there has been quite a bit of research done in addition to the actual benefits that so many have achieved. Your disbelief doesn’t invalidate what MMS does, or has done.
As for Jim Humble answering your statements directly, I believe it would be wiser for you to simply get more familiar with MMS and do some research of your own. Jim Humble is continuing his MMS research, working in conjunction with open minded doctors and clinicians. He’s answered thousands of questions and statements of disbelief while people were gaining their own experience.
For your information, I have no vested interest in MMS sales either. I have studied it enough, and interacted with enough scientists, practitioners, and people who have used it, to realize that you’re doing yourself a disservice to dismiss it simply because people you know haven’t endorsed it (yet).
I am concerned about the hundreds of people who continue to suffer and die each hour and thousands each day from FDA approved and AMA sanctioned medications that add more toxicity to one’s body chemistry, when less is called for (and it sounds like you are also concerned). I also know that some people have taken ridiculous amounts of MMS, and only experienced accelerated detox effects, which weren’t pleasant, but it’s not like taking Coumadin or any number of medications that will kill if too much is taken.
If you’re really on the side of the truth, then you’ll be open to wherever it may come from (even allopathic methods), and you’ll have to acknowledge that benefits are being achieved. With your knowledge, you’d be in a great position to further our understanding of what it does. But to dismiss it out of hand in spite of the benefits, belies your claim.
I do appreciate you following through with your friend’s suggestion and posting your thoughts. Thank you.
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on October 8, 2009
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Hi Adam.
I had no problem using MMS, and I used a lot, 6 drops every hour for 10 hours, and more after, and even before Over a 40 hour period I used more than a 100 drops. I used it with citric acid and water, and I felt only the citric acid was a little much for me. I had a very bad cold or the flu, but I worked every day, MMS gave me a lot of energy, and my cold was bad only for about 2 days, and after that I only used 6 drops of MMS for about a week, just once a day.And my gut feeling is, that palpable just dont know nothing about MMS, if he did not used it himself. I dont use MMS every day, but every few weeks I may use 6 or 7 drops a day, for 3 or 4 days, for extra energy. And this is my experience with MMS. But every one is different and may use MMS for different things, and different ways
I think CANOLA OIL in the long run is harmfull for people. I put a lot of oil on everything, sunflower, or corn oil, but a few months ago we bought canola oil, but we used less than a half a gallon, as I was getting ill, and we dumped out the canola oil, and MMS helped also to get my health back.People dont know they can get sick from canola oil, if they use it slowly , they will get sick slowly , over a longer time. But I use a lot, I just put it on everything. And I m sure nothing else would of helped as much as MMS did. I think MMS is good for everything, even for things we dont even know about.
By: Gilgamesh on October 9, 2009
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Dear Adam,
I will try this again.
I have said nothing about the efficacy of MMS. My motto – if it works, do it. On this we can agree.
I have only taken Jim Humbles statements from his video and book and commented on them. That’s all.
He describes certain MECHANISMS by which MMS does its magic. These mechanisms (as described in my first post) cannot occur. That’s why he will not directly address my points.
He and others who stand to profit are either:
1) completely ignorant of basic chemistry/biology
2) making it all up
Neither 1 or 2 above says anything about the efficacy of MMS.
Having been in this field for a long time I have witnessed over and over the misuse of known physiology and chemistry to justify products. The misuse is similar: throw in 3 parts accurate biology, then slide in the one part of nonsense that justifies buying the product. It’s a typical salesman technique.
If MMS is effective why would Jim and others make up nonsense to promote it? Why can’t they just say – “this stuff works and I don’t know why.”
That I would respect.
If MMS is the greatest cure ever, Jim is doing himself and those that my benefit from taking it a disservice. How? By making up nonsense. Those of us who teach at acupuncture schools, or teach naturopathic schools, or who are alternative MD’s and DO’s, know that the proposed mechanisms are nonsense. This causes great suspicion (especially when an MLM is involved), and we then tend to dismiss the product.
I see another real danger with MMS – the FDA. The FDA knows the proposed mechanisms are false. My fear is not that they will come down on MMS and bar it from being sold. My fear is that individuals will be harmed by MMS and this will be a stimulus for the FDA regulate all other current supplements. To place supplements in drug categories, with big pharma controlling manufacture and sales, doctors controlling access.
In my investigations, my son sent me a youtube of a chiropractor advising those taking MMS. Besides the usual nonsense of MMS only attacking bad bacteria and cancer, he described a letter he got from a women taking MMS. She was experience facial numbness, tingling and ultimately nerve damage from taking “too large” a dose of MMS. He suggested she should consult with him – “as its important to be under supervision of an expert” in order to prevent serious side effects.
More than a little scary. It’s probably smart to remind yourself that chlorine dioxide is used to disinfect polls.
I have an extremely open mind. I do hope MMS is a cure all – that would be great. But there are an awful lot of red flags with this stuff.
That being said, I am only dismissing the proposed mechanisms as described in my first post.
By: palpable on October 9, 2009
at 1:04 pm
Dear Palpable:
With all due respect you did indeed make a statement about the efficacy of MMS:
Your words:
You made a clear inference to its efficacy by stating that its underlying premise is “absolutely false and impossible.” You did this either fully or partially ignorant of the profoundly and significantly beneficial outcomes that people have experienced from its use. Otherwise, the tone of your introduction to this forum would have been very different. If we’re agreeing that this stuff is helpful, even though some statements of chemistry aren’t as you understand them (although they are consistent with many other independent descriptions of ClO2), then we’d also be having a different conversation.
Whether the “mechanisms” are exactly correct in your eyes are not, the magic is indeed happening. And since it is, it’s happening for a reason that is beyond your understanding. That’s okay too, but you discounted someone else’s understanding when it didn’t appear to corroborate your own. Yet, you ignore the magic that has come from that understanding, and not offered any other scenarios that might achieve equal or better magic. You say that you’d respect someone else’s admitting that they don’t know it all (according to you), but you haven’t presented an alternative for someone else to judge as “impossible,” even though it was working.
Modern medicine is giving the world drug after drug that DOESN’T work, but has paid the FDA’s “protection fee” and been allowed to unleash it on the world. Jim Humble went to the FDA prior to introducing MMS. They had “no interest” in it, since he was introducing it abroad. You can bet they do know about MMS, but you can’t assume that they think it doesn’t work. Again, the results belie the claim.
With MMS2, Jim Humble is continuing to apply his intelligence to solutions that can help humanity without doing harm. MMS1 hasn’t harmed anyone when taken as recommended, and has helped hundreds of thousands. These are the facts that haven’t been acknowledged in your replies here.
You talk about him and others “who stand to profit” from the sale of MMS — while ignoring the MASSIVE raping and pillaging of the health and pocketbook of the world right now via this H1N1 scam. The cancer treatment industry is another, given the FACT that cancer cures have been around for decades, only to be squashed by the AMA and FDA. And even with all of the suppression, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, are STILL curable, when an individual knows what kind of changes they need to make and makes them. The simple fact is that this vital information is not what the public is hearing, but they’re dying to know.
Jim Humble didn’t sell MMS, and today he and other humanitarian organizations are GIVING it away in Africa, and have taken great steps to keep the purchase price of it inexpensive in other parts of the world. No one selling MMS is gouging the consumer in the way that modern medicine is, with toxic chemicals that hold a very high price tag per dose, but don’t work, except to take you further from recovery. Health care expenses represent almost 25% of the Gross Domestic Product of the United States, and it’s growing, when only a restoration of health will bring it down. But collectively, we’re not going toward health. Individually we can.
Given how many people have taken MMS in the past couple years, there are precious few “horror stories” to hang one’s hat on, and thousands of stories of success. However, we get what we look for. If we’re looking for solutions, we’ll find them. If we’re looking for scapegoats, we’ll find them too.
Dismiss what you wish about MMS, but you also turn your back on a wonderful opportunity to learn, and help others through your intelligence, instead of “guiding” them through ignorance and fear.
Best wishes,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on October 10, 2009
at 7:32 am
Dear Adam,
Most of your post is an emotional response to the powers that be, and it does not address any of my arguments. It also misrepresents what I stated.
So, I’ll try a third time.
The word EFFICACY means “is A TREATMENT EFFECTIVE.
The word MECHANISM is used to describe “HOW a treatment works.”
For example: The MECHANISM of an antibiotic, like penicillin = to bind to one specific bacterial enzyme, like a lock and key. With enzyme blocked the bacteria cannot divide.
The EFFICACY = complete eradication of the bacterial infection.
These are 2 quite different words with quite different meanings. You can have one without the other. For example, the bacteria may mutate a bacterial cell wall to block the enzyme – i.e. antibiotic resistant.
The mechanism has not changed, but the efficacy has. The bacteria divides, and the patient dies.
With these definitions clear, I suggest you re-read my posts.
You incorrectly use the term EFFICACY in describing MY QUOTE:
“I’ve watched a jim humble video. Read long explainations by him and and others who sell MMS. No one seems to directly address the obvious and false claim. That CLO2 can seek harmful microbes or cancerous cells and leave good cells or beneficial bacteria alone. This is absolutely false and impossible.”
Adam, The above is describing a mechanism. This mechanism is false. It cannot happen. This does not say anything about whether MMS is effective.
BIOLOGY LESSON AGAIN:
Ingest Clorox, hydrogen peroxide, MMS, or any other simple chemical that reacts with living tissue, and one gets the same results. All cells – good, bad, and in-between, have the same response: their molecules react with these radicals. End of story.
No half truths. No opinions. High school chemistry 101.
All atoms have electrons, all molecules have atoms – bacteria, cancer, good, bad. These chemicals work by stealing or donating electrons to molecules – all molecules.
Please, no more red herring arguments that have nothing to do with what I stated.
I’ll state it again clearly so that you, Jim, or anyone else can address this one paragraph.
MMS CANNOT work by the following mechanism:
It cannot chemically react with cancer cells, bad bacteria and viruses, and not also chemically react with normal cells and good bacteria, It cannot search out and destroy only harmful cells in the human body.
Please, Adam, just address the above statement.
By: palpable on October 10, 2009
at 7:54 pm
Dear Palpable,
Thank you again for your input, but I’ve said as much as I feel is necessary, given your position. I know what a mechanism is, and what efficacy means. Your negative focus on “mechanism” while refusing to acknowledge MMS’ efficacy is the point of my disagreement.
If you were of an open mind, you’d be able to answer the question for yourself and perhaps inform us. However, you’d have to acknowledge the efficacy and effectiveness of MMS, because that is what’s happening, whether you believe it’s possible or not. In the absence of such openness, I’ve gone as far as I will go. I have no need to try to convince you of anything, as that would be foolish.
Now that you’ve had a chance to state your position, future readers who are interested can decide what’s best for them.
Best wishes,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on October 10, 2009
at 8:27 pm
Hi Adam.
In my opinion the ORMUS elements in our bodies also work with the MMS to heal everything, and as I wrote before , I also use the MMS for energy.
The Brown gas flame is about a 130 degrees,and you could put your hand in this flame for short seconds without getting burned, but this flame will also cut a 7 inch steel plate in half. And Brown gas will also clean up nuclear waste, make new materials, new elements. Brown gas technology is not yet developed, and I think very few people in the world who would understand the workings of this, but I think Jim Humble would know.
And maybe you could ask Jim how the ORMUS elements in our bodies work with the MMS.
By: Gilgamesh on October 11, 2009
at 12:17 am
Adam,
In science, efficacy of a drug is determined by double blind placebo trials. Up to 40% of those receiving any treatment have a strong placebo effect. Is the placebo effect responsible for MMS? Double blind replicable experiments would give the answer.
Belief is religion. Science is science.
You are seeing positive results with MMS, therefore you believe everything Jim says. Even though the mechanisms are patently false. That’s a religion.
That said, there’s nothing wrong religions………
By: palpable on October 11, 2009
at 5:02 am
The real Physiology of having to start with a 1-2 drops of MMS to prevent unpleasent reactions.
Nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. is your body trying get rid of a toxic substance. It is not caused by a die off of bad organisms or healing reaction.
How does the body detoxify harmful molecules? Enzymes break down harmful molecules, or alter their structure so they are less toxic.
The liver, kidney and other organs contain these enzymes.
Slowly building up MMS allows these organs to up-regulate (increase the levels) the specific enzymes used to detoxify MMS.
Use alcohol as an example: The enzyme Alcohol dehydrogenase is present in the stomach and liver. As one consumes more and more (as in an alcoholic) these organs increase the levels of this enzyme, and the person can drink more without vomiting.
Slowly increasing the dose of MMS causes an increase of detoxifying enzymes.
Along the same lines: some suggest a healing reaction occurs to die off, and that is the source of reactions. Please ponder the number of human cells that normally die every hour: 50 to 100 billion. Do you think 2 drops of MMS can match that rate, or even exceed it? Of course not.
By: palpable on October 12, 2009
at 4:34 am
Here’s some more “reality” palpable:
People who have a chronic disease state generally do not a have sufficient function of metabolic enzymes due to insufficient cellular energy. There also tends to be an insufficient population of aerobic microorganisms, often due to the effects of prescribed antibiotics that, over time, kill them off, without taking sufficient steps to repopulate.
The liver, kidney and other organs are also overloaded and definitely Not functioning optimally in such environments.
You might consider asking yourself why you feel a need to have others join you in your skepticism, when there are hundreds of entries on this and other sites of people getting over many conditions that “science” had no adequate solution for.
By: phaelosopher on October 12, 2009
at 5:27 am
hi Adam.
In my opinion, if anyone want to prove, that MMS dont work,I think they should put their money where their mouth is. All they have to do is, travel to Africa, and find 20 people with malaria, and give 10 people MMS, and 10 people a placebo. The result is known in less than a day.
By: Gilgamesh on October 12, 2009
at 2:01 pm
Adam, I have no need for anyone to join me.
I am not skeptical. I have no feelings one way or the other on the effectiveness of MMS.
I am a teacher. I am teaching physiology to those reading. No one is arguing against the physiology I am presenting because it is correct.
Humbles version of physiology is incorrect, that’s all.
My only
If the assumptions (concerning those with chronic illness)you say are true, why would an ill person want to overload their detoxification systems with a known toxin and powerful disinfectant that react with their normal, healthy tissues?
By: palpable on October 15, 2009
at 3:42 pm
The misuse and abuse of the term ANAEROBIC.
( forgive the length – I use to teach microbiology)
Claims: MMS is and oxidizer (True); and it kills only anaerobic organisms (false); bad bacteria and viruses are anaerobic (false); cancer cells are killed by oxygen (false).
Lets break this down:
Anaerobic means: the ability to make energy in the absence of oxygen. That’s it.
Heck -Your muscle cells can make energy in the absence of oxygen – as it running as fast as you can – but you have to rest cause all energy is used up in the cells. The cells then use oxygen to rebuild energy stores
BACTERIA: There are many types =
1) Aerobic – can only produce energy in present of oxygen
2) Facultative anaerobic – can produce energy with or without oxygen. BUT is NOT killed by presence of oxygen
3) Obligate anaerobe – will die in presence of oxygen.
Lets make one point crystal clear: The so-called good and bad bacteria are found in all 3 categories. Very few are in the last category.
Examples:
Streptococcus – it is aerobic. Is it bad?
All staphylococus (including all the antibiotic resistant nasty ones), E.coli, Listeria, and many other infectious organisms are facultative anaerobic.
Please get this – these microbes are happy as can be in the presence of oxygen. Strep and staph infections anyone.
Please think logically: the majority of organisms that infect us have to grow in our bodies. Therefore they have to be OK in an oxygen environment.
Take it to the next step: Our human cells eventually die without oxygen. If tissue is deprived of oxygen necrosis occurs, then gangrene.
Lets talk VIRUSES:
There are NO anaerobic viruses. Viruses do not make energy.
A virus makes more copies of itself by entering our cells and hijacking the manufacturing sites in our cells. The manufacturing sites in our cells run on – you guessed it – oxygen.
So all viruses multiply in an oxygen rich environment – our cells.
CANCER: as stated, cancer cells need more oxygen than normal cells, because of their rapid cell division. And modern scans find cancer by detecting regions of high metabolism, energy use, and blood flow. Oxygen, oxygen, oxygen.
And you wonder why I’m skeptical.
By: palpable on October 12, 2009
at 5:20 am
We finally got our MMS in the mail and this is day 4 on MMS and already noticing great improvement. My partner has had a severe fungal issue with his toenails for years and nothing has worked on ridding it. Last night we applied the MMS directly and within 2 hours, the fungus had turned from black to white! We have also been brushing our teeth with it and we no longer have morning breath. I’ve been dealing with dandruff for about 3 years now, and it’s about 90% gone. We have some other bigger issues that we’re working on and i’ll post any improvements then but the results thus far speak for themselves.
By: Heather on October 13, 2009
at 7:45 am
Julie,
It’s great you are getting good results.
However, I have not been debating whether MMS works.
My posts only say this:
The mechanisms described by jim and others are false. That’s all. No one has actually addressed my specific points.
I say nothing about the effectiveness of this product.
I am an alternative practitioner. I use energy medicine -some really way out stuff. Stuff you probably would not belive. I use therapies that can never be proved. I’ve been doing this since 1984. Please do not make up stories about who i am or my motivations. That’s called an ad homenin attack. It’s used to avoid debating the points.
Julie you claim to have science bacground, and therefore “understand jims eplainations”.
Please julie, I beg of you and others, to actually debate my points. If you are a scientist, please point out how my science is incorrect. Please, take every specific point and tear it down.
Do i believe MMS works? I don’t know. Yes, I have strong doubts. Largely because the science used by jim to explain its efficacy is utter nonsense.
Another point to debate: No one knows if MMS is not dangerous when used over an extended period. It is a toxin – that is not in question. MMS is a powerful oxidizer, and industrial bleaching agent and disinfectant. To toss aside the dangers of extended use is irrrational and irresponsible.
I’m sure you can agree that low level continous esposure to toxins is a major cause of todays ills.
Problems with MMS use may not show up for years down the road, like many industrial and pharmaceutical toxins.
Please everyone, stop trying to read between the lines, and just read my lines. Could someone just speak to my points here? Anyone?
By: palpable on October 13, 2009
at 8:41 pm
Dear Palpable:
First off, if I offended you in any way, or you perceived that I was “making up stories about who you were or your motivations”, I apologize. That was not my intention. I was merely curious about your background and experience.
There is always a possibility that problems with long term use of MMS can occur. Most people who take it for a long time are trying to balance it with other natural remedies, or take “breaks” from time to time. In my father-in-law’s case, he has weighed his options: at 73, he can have a top-quality life, free of Sjogren’s symptoms , or he can “risk” taking MMS, with the chance that there “may” be repercussions in his health in 5 years’ time. He has made his choice to live NOW.
I believe everyone needs to choose for themselves, to weigh their options and do their own research. If MMS is somehow proven to be merely a huge placebo effect down the road, that there was no scientific basis for any positive results – well, I can live with that. It worked for me! I truly believe that the potential of what can be achieved with our minds and our hearts far outweighs anything else, be it pharmaceuticals or MMS. If I have to choose between the two, though, I choose MMS, because I question the motivations of the people who have made the decisions for me in the drug industry.
Quite frankly, I am happy to leave the scientific debating to others. No reading between the lines. If there are side effects to using MMS, I will have to weigh my options myself as to whether I will continue using it…just like all the other health choices I have made for myself up to this point. We need to listen to our bodies, not be frightened into decisions.
By: CdnFarmgirl on October 14, 2009
at 5:04 am
Hi Palpable,
So this is scaring me, i just went to order more bottles of MMS and read this review of it killing this older woman. Here is the link http://www.amazon.com/Miracle-Mineral-Supplement-Bottle-Citric/dp/B002B5LESY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1255525680&sr=8-2. I want to look into this more, how much did she take, what kind of meds was she on, etc. This is the first i’ve heard of a death or anything bad happening. Have you heard of this? Is it Legit?
By: Heather on October 14, 2009
at 5:11 am
The man whose wife died has made a post at another website. You can read his letters to the editor, the editor’s replies, and a letter from Jim Humble, too.
After reading all of them, I agree that it was a tragedy, but as the editor stated, we will never know if indeed the MMS triggered an underlying medical condition. It was a terrible thing to happen. Read the letters, and form your own opinion.
http://www.healthsalon.org/444/chemically-stabilized-chlorite-solution-for-inhibiting-an-antigen-specific-immune-response/
By: CdnFarmgirl on October 14, 2009
at 8:38 am
thanks so much for that article. I had a hard time taking the MMS this morning after reading about her death, eventhough my gut is telling me that it is working. We just found out about a friend’s family member who is dying of stomach cancer and was given till Thanksgiving. He was extremely interested in the MMS and i will continue to update his condition if he does indeed start the protocol. I do fear that the government, FDA will get there hands on this and take away the opportunity for us to heal ourselves. Here’s hoping that doesn’t happen.
By: Heather on October 14, 2009
at 12:08 pm
HI Heather,
I checked it out. It is a legitimate letter published in a magazine, Latitude 38.
Below is the link to the letter in the magazine.
http://www.latitude38.com/letters/200910.html
very sad indeed,
And people on this forum wonder why I’m tring to give sound scientific information.
Please note that no one has challegened the legitimacy of the information i am sharing.
By: palpable on October 14, 2009
at 7:36 pm
Palpable,
Perhaps you simply want to argue your point, but people here have lives to live. You will never understand what anyone here with experience using MMS does unless you experience it yourself with an open mind, a state that has not been evident.
You speak as though the people on this forum have no ability to assess scientific information on their own. Doing so doesn’t mean that your point of view will be the preferred one, especially when you dismiss the predominant effect of MMS, and focus on the aberration.
The letter that you cite is legitimate, but the conclusions of the writer about MMS are not. I’ve read accounts from eye witnesses that are not in the letter, which you are so quick to legitimize. Those accounts bring very clear questions as to factors that brought about Sylvie’s death, and the truth is, we should know the truth, whether the cause is MMS or not, we should know the truth. I’m not afraid of the truth… don’t need MMS to be “vindicated.” If there actually IS some way that it was the cause, it wouldn’t diminish what it does, and the benefit it has helped so many people realize.
We all agree that this is a tragedy, but it doesn’t tarnish what MMS, when intelligently used does.
Best wishes,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on October 15, 2009
at 12:22 pm
I experience your replys as if I’m on FOX news.
I make scientific arguments, you then attempt to muddythings by distorting what i say, or making up stories about my motivations.
Julie writes and claims she and her husband have science degrees – that she understands Jims science. (this is an appeal to authority technique) Yet she will not elaborate, nor point out where she disagrees with the science.
Both of you question my open mind, or heart. (an appeal to emotion technique).
As stated 4 or 5 times I am an educator.
As stated over and over I am explaining – as i do to my students – basic scientific concepts.
These known and proven concepts demonstrate the falseness of the PHYSIOLOGICAL MECHANISMS made by Jim Humble.
I believe people should make important decisions with as much information as possible.
So Adam if you can confine yourself to debating the science, that would be great.
However, I will.
BASICS – OXIDIZERS:
CLO2
One chlorine atom, 2 oxygen atoms.
Both chlorine and oxygen are powerful electron acceptors – they rip electrons from other atoms or molecules. This process is called oxidation.
Chlorine is chlorine is chlorine. It is one of the most reactive elements (high electronegativety). It oxidizes all organic molecules. It has no ability to choose what molecules it destroys.
Pour clorox bleach onany living tissue, abd molecules are destroyed and cells die.
When chlorine rips an electron its outer eletron shell is full, and it will no longer react. It is now chloride, like sodium chloride. Harmless.
Those are the 2 states of a single chlorine atom
Oxygen is a less powerful oxidizer. It too steals electrons from molecules, and causes damage to cells.
Bottom line: The above is OXDATION. It’s the only way CL and O can cause harm to any organism. And the point again is both will do it to any and all living organisms.
That’s why it’s highly unlikely that any CLO2 would even pass into the blood. it would react first react with mouth, throat and stomach cells before ever getting a chance to pass into capillaries.
AN EXPERIMENT:
Pour a little hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) – and oxidizer – on a countertop, then on your skin, then on a cut in your skin.
1) countertop – no bubbles, no oxidation. Plastics don’t react so much.
2) intact skin – maybe a few bubbles. probably kills some organisms, but doesn’t penetrate 30 layers of dead skin cells.
3) on a cut – bubbles like crazy. It is oxidizing your newly expose cells – killing your cells. Very lttle of the bubbles are from oxidizing bacteria.
Result – oxygen cannot choose what it reacts with. When the bubbles stop, the reaction is done. Oxygen is fully reacted and cannot search out other molecules.
Nor can chlorine choose what it reacts with.
Both will react with all living tissue, or other molecules long B4 they enter circulation.
By: palpable on October 15, 2009
at 6:05 pm
Thanks Adam,
Sorry, i was confused because i thought you were palpable, i don’t do forums often. Anyway, thanks for the animal link, i’ve passed that on to my mom. However, the pregnancy link was ok but i’m actually more interested in becoming pregnant and wondering if the MMS is the reason i have not gotten my period. Do you have any links on that, i still can’t find any. Thanks again for this forum
By: Heather on October 25, 2009
at 5:37 pm
Hi Heather,
I’m not sure why you are asking me for advice on MMS. Unlike many on this site, and elsewhere, I’m not handing out medical advice. I am curious though – why are you taking MMS? You also mention having no period. How is that related?
As you have probably read, I don’t think it’s a good idea to ingest known toxins. The explanations of how it works are impossible. Note that Jim humble, nor anyone else has refuted my explanations. They cannot.
I wouldn’t touch the stuff. I have a filter to remove chlorine. I sincerely believe many will see negative effects from ingesting MMS. The negative effects may not show up for awhile, as in often the case with long-term, low-level exposure to environmental toxins.
However, many people report immediate symptoms, such as vomiting, diarrhea. That’s the body’s reaction when it is exposed to a toxin – microbial, or environmental.
People are getting sick from MMS. It is NOT die off, nor a healing reaction.
Jim humble is also purposely leaving out very important details on MMS and
MMS2.
ONE EXAMPLE:
In this article, Jim goes on and on about the benefits of HYPOCHLOROUS ACID (MMS2).
Here’s a QUOTE from JIM on MMS2:
“Hypochlorous acid is an acid that the human immune system uses to kill pathogens of all kinds throughout the body, and many other things that sometimes need to be destroyed.”
TRUE part: Immune CELLS use Hypochlorous acid to kill microbes.
LEFT OUT: This only occurs WITHIN THE IMMUNE CELLS.
Really get this: Immune cells swallow the microbes before they kill them.
This is called intracellular killing. Immune cells do not release Hypochlorous acid.
So all this killing occurs inside special compartments inside immune cells. This is necessary, because Hypochlorous acid is toxic and would kill your cells.
The main point that jim leaves out of all his ads/claims – is that there is no circulating Hypochlorous acid or chlorine dioxide in the human body. (do doctors test for it in blood tests – no)
These are deadly toxins which damage ALL living tissues.
Taking pills to increase circulating Hypochlorous acid will do nothing beneficial – only damaging. This acid – like all acids – when entering circulation, would instantly react with blood cells, blood vessels – before traveling a inch or two (you have 100,000 miles of vessels).
And please don’t think that immune cells could somehow take up the extra circulating Hypochlorous acid. It doesn’t work that way. And it would never get to them.
Think about hydrochloric acid in our stomachs. The stomach has special (miracle) lining that protects it. Place HCL anywhere else in your body and it would kill cells.
Heather, at first I thought jim was just ignorant of basic anything. But now its clear – he is purposely deceiving.
By: palpable on October 25, 2009
at 5:44 pm
Hi palpable.
In my opinion, you are a very educated guy, and you try to tell us, MMS dont work. I use MMS, and thousands of doctors and health professionals, and millions of people around the World using MMS. So what you are saying, that it is impossible for MMS to work? For me, this make no sense. I think maybe you could explain why aspirin works or DMSO, or Homeopathic medicines, or any high blood pressure medicines work. MMS is not chlorine, and I dont know why you make the mistake , calling it chlorine. MMS is chlorine dioxide, and calling it chlorine is deceiving people. Jim Humble wrote a book on MMS and you could read it free, the first part, and if you ask,, you could also read the second part free of charge, Jim will e-mail it to you.I have no problem using MMS. I can use it even 5 or 10 times a day, but I would never use more than one aspirin, in one or 2 days. But I can not help you, You just have to find out things for your self. What I understand from your explanations, and if your explanation is right, what ever it is, it would mean that aspirin dont work or acetaminophen, or DMSO, or diltiazem or any homeopathic medicines, or any medicines dont work.
By: Gilgamesh on October 25, 2009
at 9:47 pm
TO Gilgamesh,
I am saying it does not work by the proposed mechanisms. I’ve repeated this over and over. If jim is basing the effectiveness of MMS on these mechanisms, then it doesn’t work.
I’m glad you made the point about not knowing the mechanisms of many substances. If you read my posts, I said I would respect Jim if he said he didn’t know the mechanisms, and simply said “hey this stuff works, use it”
Instead he makes up false mechanisms.
THIS IS MY MAIN POINT: An acid or an oxidizer cannot selectively choose to react with molecules on harmful microbes or cancer, and not react to normal tissue. I’ve outlined this several times.
This is where i begin and end my argument.
No one has directly addressed this simple statement. Everyone who replies to me dances around it.
In nearly all my posts I refer to MMS/MMS2 as an oxidizer. However it is the chlorine atom that provides the powerful oxidizing effect (do you disagree?). Which means it rips electrons from other molecules. That is the mechanism, whether it’s a single chlorine atom, or CLO2. One mechanism only. Am I wrong?
I have read his book, and the MD’s very complete explanations of its proposed mechanisms. None of which address all my posted concerns.
I’m waiting.
Another point is the the distortion of immune physiology. Pleas read my post on MMS2, and that circulating hypochlorous acid (MMS2) does not occur. Jim purposely leads his readers to believe that there is circulating hypochlorous acid. I cannot emphasize this enough – it is this concept (circulating hypochlorous acid killing bad guys) that is the entire basis for taking MMS2.
So what would you think if you were me? Seriously ponder that. I have taught microbiology and immunology. There is a lot we have to learn about immunology, but knowing where hypochlorous acid is locate is not one of them, IT is only INSIDE the white blood cells. Never released into circulation.
As far as mechanisms for aspirin and Tylenol. They inhibit specific enzymes. If you read one of my first posts you would see that drugs, herbs, you name work by 2 main mechanisms:
1) inhibit enzymes
2) mimic or antagonize our chemical messengers or their receptors
Oh by the way, I use homeopathy….
By: palpable on October 26, 2009
at 8:42 am
The lack of knowledge and false assumptions made by skepdics (yes, I can spell) continues to amaze me. Even when it’s explained to them, they don’t understand how the medical profession works. They aren’t treating us because they are nice, or it’s the right thing to do, or they are bored, they are doing it to make a profit – a large one. Rather than bore everyone with the same old facts, how the FDA requires million for approval and people won’t pay for it without the possibility of patent protection (this alone seems to be over too many people’s heads and it’s this stumbling block that the skepdics conveniently ignore) I would like everyone to simply go to the American Cancer Society’s website and take a look at the bottom of page 12 in this document where they state plainly that they will only give grants for people to look for “patentable” cures and even more atrocious, they want a piece of the patent. They are taking public donations, but then they operate like a company! Like the will only work for profit! If you think this kind of thing doesn’t happen in America, you are blind and, as a result, doomed. I have yet to see an intelligent skepdic have anything to say about the ACS and their blatant disregard for people’s suffering. The skepdics false assumption (that I have read over and over) that “if there were a cure, people would shout it from the rooftops and we would know about it” is retarded. The ACS doesn’t even want to help you unless it’s “patentable”, whether you have a cure or not – they flat out say so! They want you to obtain a patent and they want a piece of it! How much more proof do the idiotic skepdics need that something smells in the medical profession? We are shouting about cures but you moron skepdics are keeping them from being in widespread use because you refuse to point your skepticism where it belongs: in the medical profession’s treatment of chronic diseases! Wake up jerks! Now go look on page 12 near the bottom at the link I provide below and I hope you’re sitting down.
BTW, this is their mission and I don’t see anything about profit, it says “dedicated to eliminating cancer” and that is a big, fat lie.
“The American Cancer Society is the nationwide, community- based, voluntary health organization dedicated to eliminating cancer as a major health problem by preventing cancer, saving
lives and diminishing suffering from cancer through research, education, advocacy, and service.”
http://www.cancer.org/downloads/RES/PF_Policies_Instructions_July_2009_Final_pC_2.pdf
By: tropicalgeek on October 26, 2009
at 9:13 am
TO- tropicalgeek
Not sure if you are aiming your anger in my direction, but I’m the wrong target.
Having been an practitioner of alternative therpies for 25 years, and a teacher at alternative medical schools for 20 years, your labels would be hilarious to my students.
It’s hilarious because in the classes I teach I often rail against the AMA, MD’s, allopathic medicine, and especially Big Pharma. (Big Pharma is about as eveil as it gets).
Your tactic of dismmissing my argument by labeling, and attacking an individual is both ineffective and rather sad. As with others here, you will not address the specifics of my arguments.
Skeptic I am. No, I don’t believe everything told to me – do you?
You appear skeptical of medical treatment for cancer (I know I am). So i guess you are a skeptic.
Feel free to attack me and others if it makes you feel better.
By: palpable on October 26, 2009
at 11:32 am
Hi Adam
I have not been to this blog for quite some time but i am very glad to see the excellent results mms has had for many people and i do laugh at the pathetic attempts of these so call skeptics trying to tell us black is white and white is black, anyway i just wanted to say that a friend of mine who had a painful lump just under his left pec muscle has completely disappeared and is no longer in need of surgery. so once again thanks for your excellent efforts Adam. Regards Jared
By: Jared on November 7, 2009
at 7:11 pm
Hi Adam.
Willard Custer said, the engineers, and skeptics who criticized his channel wing plane, dont know what they were talking about, just like some people skeptical about MMS.
The channel wing plane never went into mass production, because the university professors and engineers did not understand, and cant explain how this plane had extra ordinary lifting power, can fly with very low speeds,10-20 miles per hour, very short landing and take off very simple construction.Custer invented and build the channel wing plane in the 1920- 1930s but the engineers are still working on the principle behind it, Custer was ahead of his time and he is still ahead of our time, but I m sure it will be mass produced in the very near future.The bumble bee can not fly by the principles, that we understand.The Willard Custer channel wing plane may have the same principle behind it. I think this is a very interesting story also, you can read more about it, just google ; channel wing plane.
By: Gilgamesh on November 21, 2009
at 5:08 pm
I am a 73 year old man that has had problems with blood pressure, prostate, pneumonia, and diabetice. I recently had a severe cough for five weeks that Doctors and antibiotics could not stop. I had been losing the use of my legs for two years with the bottom of my feet feeling as if two golf balls were underneath them. I couldn’t walk more than 100 feet without being complete out of breath. I had absolutely no energy. I learned of MMS on 11/10/09 and on 11/15/09 I took my first dose. Within 4 hours I was coughing up mucous. Within 24 hours my energy was returning after 2 years, and my prostate was greatly improved with less trips to the bathroom, and I was feeling so much better. Within 48 hours my cough was almost gone and I had returned to work. Thanks Jim for your fight against our helpful government that thinks they have to tell us how to do everything. I didn’t come from that school and thank goodness you didn’t either,
Bill
PS It is now 11/23/09 and I continue to improve including lowering of my bloodpressure.
By: Bill Hodge on November 23, 2009
at 7:14 pm
Great news, Bill! What a life-altering change this has been for you. I’m curious about the dosage you started with and are taking now.
Someone we know recently started taking MMS after hearing about it from us for over two years – he finally decided to give it a go, and he’s noticed chronic shoulder/neck aches and pains have disappeared! This in under a week. He’s pretty healthy otherwise, just trying to be proactive.
Oh, and how encouraging that, at your age, you’re still working! Hats off to you, sir
. I have a fabulous father-in-law like that!
By: CdnFarmgirl on November 24, 2009
at 8:28 am
Very Happy to hear the excellent result Bill, 73 is a spring chicken lol.
By: Jared on November 24, 2009
at 10:33 am
Hi Gil,
I appreciate you sharing your experience with MMS. In my opinion, it doesn’t really matter if the detail is “correct” to the letter if we’re achieving the intended outcome, which in this case, is a restoration or maintenance of health. On the other hand, if all the details do jibe, but all one is achieving is a state of perpetual disease, then the product or protocol itself should be scrapped. The medical industry has the public taking thousands of prescriptions that have been “thoroughly tested,” but the best that they do is keep people in perpetual disease. The public has been sold on the idea that the drug “cures” or can “cure” diseases, when in truth, that’s an utter falsehood.
MMS doesn’t “cure” anything either, in spite of dear Jim’s occasional statements to the contrary. It does help bring balance to an imbalanced body chemistry and microbial population, which allows the body to make the corrections it needs to restore health.
You make some important points about canola oil, which is one of a long list of substances we’ve given pass on as “safe,” and therefore often goes unexamined if or when sickness sets in. I sincerely believe that various carbonated beverages, especially the “diet” ones, have a catalyzing effect on chemical toxins, acting as activators, in the same way that citric acid is an activator for MMS. The exception is that we don’t know what chemicals the diet sodas are spawning, except that, over the long run, they are likely going to have unhealthy repercussions.
By: phaelosopher on October 10, 2009
at 8:30 am
Dear Palpable,
You talk about efficacy of drugs, and science, blind to the fact that drugs, as presently used, DON’T HEAL. Jim Humble introduces a chemical formulation that is actually helping people — people who are concerned about HEALING, not MINUTIA. And they are HEALING, which you dismiss as “religion.”
Religion to me is presenting toxic substances that are contraindicated in normal cellular and physiological functioning — e.g., Lipitor, Celebrex, Paxil, Coumadin, aspertame, MSG, Alkylating agents, Anti-metabolites, Mitotic inhibitors, and a host of others — and not only pretending that they can help, but declaring that ONLY THEY can help, because the FDA and AMA have said they do, even though they don’t. The financial costs are bad enough, but the expense in life quality are beyond calculation. Yet, you focus on MINUTIA as your reason to dismiss something new and profoundly helpful to many people of varying beliefs, who simply want to be well again.
Would the public benefit if further research was done on MMS? Of course! But truthfully, a person who is sick isn’t concerned about that. They want to HEAL. They don’t care about MINUTIA. Are people HEALING with MMS? Yes. That’s what’s important. Your negative attitude about it has no bearing on whether MMS works or not. It simply limits its potential benefits for YOU, which is okay too, because there are many ways to HEAL if a person is sick. It’s good to know that MMS is one that they can call on.
I don’t agree with everything Jim says. But I do acknowledge that what he has presented has delivered the results that he has suggested. That’s not religion sir. It’s reality. You don’t have to agree with it, and you can dismiss it for any reason that suits you. The power to heal BEGINS and ENDS with the individual, not the MINUTIA.
Best wishes,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on October 11, 2009
at 6:20 am
Hi Gil,
I’ll forward your thoughts to Jim and see if he comments. I have another friend who knows about Brown’s gas. Clayton Nolte, who developed the water structuring devices, has talked about Brown’s gas on several occasions.
By: phaelosopher on October 11, 2009
at 6:30 am
Hi Palpable,
Our family first learned about MMS through a naturpath back in July 2007. I later discovered Adam’s website, as well as a few others, and we spent many hours reading Jim Humble’s two books and whatever limited information there was available online. My husband and I both have university level science backgrounds, so we understood the explanations given for how MMS was supposed to work. Without engaging you in a science debate, I feel that I must speak up that there IS a benefit to this product.
My father-in-law was suffering from a debilitating autoimmune disease called Sjogren’s, and AS A DIRECT RESULT of taking MMS, he now has a new lease on life. There were no pharmaceutical options for him to deal with his illness, only drugs to mask symptoms. He no longer suffers from any of the symptoms, and his vitality returned to a level not felt by him in 30 years. We have many anecdotes from friends and family who have seen improvements in their health from taking MMS.
We are a proactive family when it comes to looking after our health. Taking responsibility ourselves has empowered us to learn more about what we are lacking, to read about alternative possibilities that can help our bodies in a non-invasive way, and to ultimately take charge of our own bodies. Without taking on a “conspiracy” – type tone, I feel that people have allowed others to make their health choices for far too long. It’s time for them to do some work of their own, to take ownership of their health and realize that they do have a choice.
I’m curious about whether you are a “hard facts only” person, or whether you are open to other possibilities, ie. energy healing, structured water, aromatherapy. There is more and more documented proof popping up that these so-called “alternatives” can actually make a difference in our lives. I believe that faith in one’s abilities and an open heart are a part of these successes.
Many people have tried to explain how MMS can be dangerous (and I believe that, used incorrectly, it could have serious bad effects), but I hope that there will always be enough people who have had positive results with it, as we have, to encourage people to research it for themselves, and see if it will fit into their health protocol.
My apologies for the lengthiness, but I wanted to put in my two cents’ worth, and not appear to be a knee-jerk defensive reaction
Keeping an open mind and open heart,
Julie
By: CdnFarmgirl on October 13, 2009
at 7:32 am
Hi Heather,
I support your gathering the information you need to satisfy your sense of MMS’s efficacy. It’s natural to be anxious about stepping out of the comfort of public opinion, and relying on our own intelligence and common sense. However, the more you do it, the more you can trust yourself, especially when you’re truly seeking to affect positive changes in your life. You will find that MMS is not the only thing that can help “what may ail you,” but it can be called upon if needed.
Best wishes,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on October 15, 2009
at 12:12 pm
Hi Palpable,
So unfortunately the friend’s family member that had cancer became so depressed and refused to try the MMS and died last week. It is very sad, esp. knowing that he had a chance at living but “you can lead a horse to water….”.
My partner has gotten a few other friends interested and my mother’s dog has cancer growths all over his body and is planning on using MMS on him. Do you know the best way to give it to animals, i find that they do not like the taste even with mixed with food. Also, i have yet to get my period and i am not pregnant. Do you know how it affects menstruation and what about taking MMS while pregnant or trying to conceive, i can’t find any info on that. Thanks again for your time and comments.
By: Heather on October 25, 2009
at 7:30 am
Heather,
You’re not going to get much support for MMS use from palpable. I’m sorry for the loss of your friend’s family member. Please be aware that no solution will ever be found, MMS or anything else, that can override an individual’s readiness to leave this world, irrespective of whether we want to “save” them. However, there are many who are not ready to go, and simply need to make certain lifestyle, ecological, and attitude changes. MMS can be a great help to one’s personal ecology.
Here’s a link to some advice that Jim Humble gave regarding MMS use with animals that may be helpful.
Here’s a link from Curezone about MMS and pregnancy.
Best wishes,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on October 25, 2009
at 4:39 pm
Palpable is the only person on this blog who is actually “open-minded” he/she evaluates evidence and actually seeks to understand the underlying principles behind MMS. Everyone else blindly believes the claims of a man who does not understand basic chemistry or biology. How can people be so skeptical of the government, western medicine, and the FDA yet completely suspend their skepticism when MMS is concerned. A truly open mind is always skeptical. No one has answered Palpable’s complete refutation of Jim Humble’s bogus mechanisms for MMS. Adam has dodged around the issue because he is afraid to confront someone obviously more knowledgeable then himself. Jim Humble himself has remained silent, despite his earlier participation in this blog. Humble is a class shyster. The language and style of his book is the same as absurd websites that claim you can “get ripped in 2 weeks without working out” or “grow your penis 5 inches.” The guy is an awful writer with a poor command of the english language and is too lazy to hire an editor. And the image on the back of his book is photoshopped!
By: sam on November 21, 2009
at 9:55 am
I removed what you copied and pasted from your first post… no one has time to read your redundant thoughts.
You’re free to pick your favorites. However, in spite of your criticism of Jim Humble’s style, he has had the courage and intelligence to present it, in spite of the inane observations of anonymous, armchair critics like you. And it has made a positive difference in many thousands of lives. What have YOU done that we can look at and thank you for? If you have something positive to offer, you’re welcome to present them here. But so far, you’re 0 for 2.
Regards,
Adam…
By: phaelosopher on November 21, 2009
at 10:02 am